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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: June 18, 2022 07:04AM

Replica900,

Further down the page of the first link, next to last paragraph:

"The name ‘Church of the Living Word’ also designates two other Christian fundamentalist organizations. The first originated as a house group in Euclid, New York in 1972, and with Robert J.Mazur as its first pastor, it gained early support from ex-hippies. It has now expanded to larger premises in Syracuse, New York. It is fundamentalist, with leanings towards Calvinism—affirming the ‘universal depravity of man’ and emphasizing hell—and the Holiness Movement, along with which it advocates the Spirit’s sanctification and the acquisition of’ tongues of the Spirit’. The organization claims ‘many hundreds of members’ and owns its school for pupils of all ages."

I think that is the group that you experienced. Not related to the one JRS started.

As for the other link, I couldn't listen to the whole thing. (Too triggering.) I skipped around. It did remind me a bit of TLWF a long time ago. My guess is that the Syracuse group, like JRS' group, traces it's roots to the Pentecostal movement. Some of the sounds might be speaking in tongues (glossilaia). I also heard a lot of moaning at one point. So we know that the people are encouraged to be very demonstrative in their worship.

I no longer participate in any church, so I'm not the best person to give advice to those seeking a church home. But I will say that the most telltale sign of a cult is the level of control exercised by the leaders. Here is a link that might help: [www.culteducation.com]

I just have one question. How on earth did they get all those people to dress in suits and ties or dresses for church? It's been years since I've seen that anywhere. Could that speak to the level of control? Also, the people on the platform had matching outfits?



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: June 18, 2022 08:42AM

Man sings 'Looking for a city'

[youtu.be]

Note: I could not resist commenting on this clip.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: June 18, 2022 09:26AM

Wow, Changed. That was, uh, so special. Thanks for sharing? ; )

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Replica900 ()
Date: June 18, 2022 11:01AM

Reepicheep

You are right, that IS the Syracuse chapter I experienced. Yeah sorry I should have put “trigger warning” on that video link. The audio is truly disturbing. I just saw a Pentecostal church on youtube and it’s pretty much the same. Like I said in my first post, I had no idea those churches were this far north. Thanks for clearing up the confusion about the original Living Word started by JRS. I just find it curious that the Syracuse establishment chose “Living Word”. Why the hell would you name a church that after what the old Living Word had done..

It’s funny you should point out the suit and ties. I was thinking the same exact thing! Totally creepy if you ask me.

I am not even looking to go to church. I’ve always had a fascination for religion, spirituality, philosophy and all that. Personally, I find a lot of good (and bad) in all of those things so I can’t claim affiliation to none of them. I’m very agnostic and skeptical. I just love learning and love new experiences and boy did I get one when I went to there home fellowship.

Anyways, If anyone from the Syracuse church tries to contact me, I’m going to the police. Not even kidding. Gut feeling, they are up to no good, and they disguise it well.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: June 19, 2022 05:18AM

changedagain Wrote:
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Lilith on the necessity of walls/boundaries:

Posted by: Lilith
Date: January 18, 2020 07:05AM


As we navigate our way through all of this I think it’s a good spot right here to remind people that while we can agree that everyone in or out of TLWF are victims not everyone is a survivor. Some survivors are still struggling to make it thru some survivors have made it thru and are now trying to help. And then there are the victims that took a left turn and will continue to victimize others to their benefit either as a method of survival or for their own perverse pleasure. It’s also a good time to remember that we were taught that “walls” and boundaries were bad basically standing us in the middle of the 405 freeway at rush hour naked and thinking it was perfectly okay. It was not okay. Boundaries are good. And not everyone that came out of this sh*tshow is the same and has good intentions. Some that came out of this with nothing and will do whatever it takes to survive. Not all victims are the same. Just something to think about.

Changed, thanks for reposting this. Great PSA from Lilith. : )

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: June 24, 2022 09:30AM

Reep wrote:
> I no longer participate in any church, so I'm not
> the best person to give advice to those seeking a
> church home. But I will say that the most telltale
> sign of a cult is the level of control exercised
> by the leaders. Here is a link that might help:
> [www.culteducation.com]

An excellent resource

Potentially unsafe groups or leaders "come off very nice at first, they go for vulnerable people who are looking for answers, lonely, what you'd call 'normal people.' They're very good at what they do and can get people to believe anything. You might think you'd never get taken in, but don't bet on it. "
-- Margaret Singer, Ph.D

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