Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 05:34AM

Lilith Wrote:December 31, 2019 11:40PM
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> I have in the past and currently refer to them as
> the "Alcoholic company". I have no plans to
> repent.

Lilith and Changed: I 2nd that. I have no intention of repenting either for spitting out the truth in a number of cases that I all too often witnessed first hand.
Functional alcoholism does not look like a Skid Row bum. Sure they drove to services and back home.
I did not buy passing the leftover communion cup and the bottle when they could have taken the problems to God in prayer at the altar instead of over appreciating being not legalistic.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 05:56AM

January 02, 2020 03:15PM

Onion you wrote,"I heard some interesting information today that leads me to believe that the churches that have no shutdown, have also NOT changed their Bylaws. When asked, someone at one of the churches said there was no need to change the Bylaws. Which means... Gary Hargrave still has sole control as the Apostolic Fathering Ministry. I could be wrong. I will see what I can research.

People have a right to know."
I'd love to know the answer.


When have the people actually known or voted on the bylaws? (How about prayed abotu them?)

I've been gone a long time so perhaps i did not know that the people were ever involved in business meetings of the church like most denominations allow.

Most denominational churches vote on things lie new pastors or Sunday school budget or what kind of songs for the worship team to sing that will bring in new members. I don't recall TCLW ever let people vote. So, did the people vote of the bylaws? Do you know?

If I were still a member, ( I'm not) I would question how a leader can abandon the flocks and still have power and control. Does anyone know if Hargraves is still collecting a salary or helping to pay local church expenses?

"He who is without sin let him throw the first stone" at me for asking.

Most sincerely,

I M A Tattletale (King James would translate as Judas.)

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: Northerngate ()
Date: January 14, 2020 06:02AM

Thank you kBOY I appreciate your encouragement!

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 06:19AM

Reepicheep Wrote:January 08, 2020 10:41PM
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> Typer, I agree that Martha Stevens was a good and
> loving person. There was nothing wrong with her.
> Her husband had a roving eye and didn't feel that
> his ministry could survive a divorce. So what does
> any self-respecting Apostle to the Kingdom do?
> Tell people to pray for his wife to die, of
> course. Simple. Fortunately, it didn't work. JRS
> actually died sixteen years prior to Martha at the
> age of 63.
>

Martha was a lovely woman and a fine example of, excuse me, "helpmeet".
ID'ing her as a Neph and praying for her death is gas-lighting at its best.
What happened to "bless and curse not"? If that is "Christ in the flesh" I'm glad I stopped being a disciple. How can any good person agree to go along with praying for the death of people is beyond my comprehension?

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 07:16AM

Litith wrote January 04, 2020:
..."harboring criminals and collaborators and they are cowards. And as far as the remaining churches reconstituting I hope that they realize that they are building on a foundation of disease and perversion, a shaky foundation at best."

Exactly!

I read about one state where they are prosecuting pastors from other churches for similar misconduct. One attorney general offered limited immunity for those who knew but did not report criminal acts in those cases.

It may be wise to offer the same in TLW potential cases.

I would think that there are more authorities investigating the crimes of TLW leadership then the people can guess. I would think it more prudent to quietly speak up with puzzle pieces then to continue to throw stones at those who have nothing to gain except a clear conscience and freedom from nightmares for knowing too much as victims of gas-lighting.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Members need to be aware of where non-prophit money has gone and what is actually legal or not legal when you give your offerings and what happens to that donation. I'd be asking for paperwork if you are a member. the people on the forum are not longer members and we've been asking- no responce that is transparent. why is that?

Members need to be aware of the fact that minors can not consent to sexual contact- it is crime. People need to be researching the law or hiring their own attorneys of what the consequences are instead of listening to the leadership of TLW only. Remember TLW leadership are not attorneys that can give you legal advice. I'm not a lawyer, either- just saying- we had all better know what pastors can and not do.

The allegations of crimes will hit the news soon enough- so don't be surprised when someone is serving subpoenas and "You" could have spoken up." I don't mean to sound threatening- I watch a lot of movies and have seen it happen in the script where someone has covered up crimes for someone they admire.

Don't take my word or opinion for it. Pray on it. What would the Lord have you do when "Judas" makes claims against leadership? Have you seen the paper trails to disprove what leadership claims? Do you really want to follow the same paths if old leadership did it all wrong?

Does anyone know if praying for people's death is a "hate crime" or not?

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: changedagain ()
Date: January 14, 2020 07:18AM

'We're not praying for the death of the nephilim, but the death of the spirit that is moving through the nephilim.' I remember John, speaking from the pulpit, justifying the death prayers by using that distinction (paraphrased).
BTW, I wonder if anyone ever informed Martha that the church was not really praying for her death, but the death of the spirit that moved through her. And if so, whether it lifted her mood.
p.s. of course, we all know that no death prayers took place at Shiloh (according to leadership). So if you ever participated in that, realize it never happened /s

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 11:21AM

ChangedAgain in reply to January 14, 2020 07:18AM

I walked out often during intersession, especially if my children were present. I thought the antics were crazy. LOL! I've always wondered just who taught the people to do the things they did during intercession.

The prayers happened, but, maybe we all were "crazy" from gas-lighted fumes, carbon monoxide or tomato riping spray.

My guess is that Martha already knew all of his bullshit cons and laughed, thinking that she would get John's 'business profits' in the divorce.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 11:32AM

changedagain Wrote:changedagain ()
Date: January 10, 2020 04:32AM
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> “We’ll have more in depth discussion at the
> next meeting (Jan. 20) with the vision and
> how that will carry out at that time,” Schlabaugh
> said. “At the point, the developer will be public,
> and they’ll share their vision.”

>
> I suspect one way or another this vision
> will entail a very few people making off like
> bandits, and everyone else who has been
> sacrificially involved with Shiloh through the
> years, receiving the usual compensation (the inner
> satisfaction of laboring 'unto the Lord').
> Maybe I will be surprised, and there actually is a
> pony in this vision.

Whatever is developed should be much safer in the community's eyes for many reasons. I wish a nursing home would be built. Has anyone else thought of writing to the Kalona News?

Perhaps they could add a Penny the Pony ride or a carousel by a walking trail. then all of the pennies put in the coin slot to ride the pony could be stashed into a time capsule for future use...

Joking aside, this is very sad to see how so many misused family inheritances will be bulldozed into rubble.

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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: NancyB ()
Date: January 14, 2020 12:02PM

Onion, I found something relevant in Woodrow Nicols writing on The Walk on page 57 which validates what I think you have pointed out.

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Woodrow Nichols JRS The Walk
SUBMISSION: Is the accepting the control or authority of another, being obedient
and compliant to those over you in the Lord. Ephesians 5:21 to 6:9 and Hebrews
13:17 teach the New Testament pattern for submission to divinely appointed authority
in the home and in the church.8
It is no accident that Stevens picked the words "control" and "compliance" to describe the role of
both the person in authority and the person under authority. While the Scriptures, of course, call
for a type of obedience to those over you in the Lord, it is certainly no manifesto for absolute
obedience, the kind that Stevens is calling for. After all, every believer is ultimately responsible
to God alone. A system of total obedience to those over you completely undermines this Biblical
principle, leading ultimately to the Nazi ethic of innocence in the light of obeying orders.
The Nazi ethic and the type of totalitarian obedience Stevens has in mind is an analogy that should not be lightly dismissed.


This type of submission is further strengthened by the role of John Robert Stevens and the non-the denominational character of the Walk. If Stevens is truly the most important character in the eschatological drama, the apostle of the Kingdom, then what he says is the gospel truth.
Therefore it
is imperative that what he says must be accepted, believed, and obeyed at all costs. It is this role
of obedience and submission that also forms the glue that holds the Walk together, for there
being no formal legal structure between the churches in the Walk, only submission to the authority of John Robert Stevens provides the necessary union and hope of future

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What gibberish of Gary's I have listened to always seem to have the redundant use of the words' Obedient" in some form.Not an accident.



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Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: kBOY ()
Date: January 14, 2020 10:05PM

The Judeo/Christian/Islamic traditions are built on the 'in crowd' and everyone else.

In order to be included in the chosen, group-think is required, regardless of the ideology. The many-minds of the group are therefore reduced to one-mind, dictated by the 'top mind'. Agreement is the gold-standard for continued inclusion.

Even vocalizing disagreement can get one the boot, but disagreeable actions all but guarantee one will be shown the door.

Exit from toxic sludge never looked better . . .

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