NancyB, you are totally making sense.

NancyB Wrote:
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> Northerngate in repsonse to your post on
> Date: December 07, 2019 10:44PM
>
> First off, I am also a writer. Doing research on
> narcissistic socio-paths

Nancy, first of all, so nice to meet another writer. Writers need each other! Second, you do make sense!

My dad grew up during WWI depression period, when I was born he was going to Southern Baptist Semenary. Something happened (I was too young to know what) and he went independent. Somewhere along the way he met some radical independents in Oregon and that’s where I think a culmination of all of his hurts and pains in life cane to a head.

He is a crazy combination of good and bad. Unfortunately, I don’t always know which one I’m speaking to!!

I’m glad you are writing about narcissism. I’ve discovered I have to write out my story through fiction because it hurts too much to write for real. Here’s a funny thing that happened when I started writing and my friends and family were alerted. Suddenly, everyone thought I was writing about them and what they had done. It’s terrible, but I can laugh about it now!

Keep being beautiful you!!

larry bobo Wrote: l
Date: September 19, 2018 12:01AM

I believe it is worth re-posting along with the rrmoderator comment.

thanks Larry and rr mod.
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> kBoy said:
> “It would have been difficult for anyone who spent
> any significant time in the fellowship to have
> avoided the disaster known as 'designated'
> relationships, built first on the apostolic
> hierarchy of Ephesians, and then refined with the
> Elijah/Elisha and Paul/Timothy iterations of the
> JRS era. The G&M era saw a much more destructive
> version that built a chain of such relationships
> from the platform all the way back to the nursery,
> assigning virtually everyone a
> 'Christ-in-the-flesh'. The result of this great
> experiment was widespread devastation, as
> completely unqualified individuals were given the
> decision-making power over others. Those who seem
> to have avoided these dynamics were really not
> considered to be a 'part of the fellowship.'”
>
> First of all, I think it is important to point out
> that the “apostolic hierarchy of Ephesians” is
> what TLWF taught, not what Ephesians actually
> says. These ministries were gifts to equip the
> body so that they would not be “blown here and
> there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning
> and craftiness of men in their deceitful
> scheming”. Legitimate leadership would have
> protected you from the likes of the leadership of
> TLWF. I would suggest that most in TLWF have
> never even been exposed to leadership that is
> there to serve them, rather than use them for
> their own personal gain.
>
> There is a huge difference between a counselor
> that has been professionally trained and those we
> served under in TLWF. The lack of qualifications
> became even more apparent in designated
> relationships, but I would suggest that there was
> always a lack of qualifications clear to the top –
> including John. I don’t think designated
> relationships were ever about helping people, but
> about controlling and keeping tabs on them. After
> I left my local church, my former pastor, who had
> been kicked out of the fellowship, told me that he
> could not believe I would continue to do what he
> asked. It was never about helping me, but about
> breaking my spirit to become more obedient. I
> might also note that his strategies were being
> directed by Apco and Apco's strategies by G&M. As
> soon as there was an obvious problem, G&M would
> cut ties to the local pastor and claim the pastor
> did not have their spirit and therefore they were
> not responsible.

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rr moderator Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: September 19, 2018 12:28AM

larry bobo,

Thanks for that clarification concerning scripture.

Another thing that's quite important when dealing with supposedly bible based groups is to recognize how the leader may have twisted the scriptures.

Getting a good mainstream study bible and talking with a qualified biblical scholar with recognized credentials (i.e. seminary degree from a well recognized and accredited college and seminary) is very helpful.

A good study bible has footnotes to reflect what each and every scripture is understood to mean as based upon a historical consensus of biblical scholars. A biblical scholar of the New Testament often can read the original version in Greek, which is important in resolving a conflict. Old Testament scholars often read Hebrew and/or Aramaic.

All of this study may help a former member to unwind the manipulation of the group from a scriptural perspective.

This is not about telling people what to believe, but rather studying the common historical understanding and translation of the bible as it was originally written and historically understood. Good study bibles also reflect controversies regarding certain verses.

So often destructive supposedly bible based cults twist the meaning of scriptures for self-serving reasons.

The primary question should be -- How does this relatively odd understanding of a scripture empower the leader and afford him or her control over the members?

If the leader's interpretation is self-serving and affects people's lives it should be examined closely and studied to make sure it is historically and contextually accurate.

This is the difference between using the bible for faith, revelation and enlightenment, as opposed to using as a personal tool to leverage people and manipulate them.

NancyB Wrote:
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> kBOY Wrote:December 04, 2019 06:05AM
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> > P U D D
> >
> > Regarding the internet, it does cut both ways.
> > Those with smarts to tailor their message (and
> > squelch opposing voices) can present themselves
> as
> > the new 'Wizard of Oz' and ensnare a whole new
> > generation that believes everything on the
> > internet is the 'gospel truth'.
> >
> > Most of us by now have at least heard of the
> 'dark
> > web' which is able to perpetrate the most
> > egregious behavior almost unabated.[/b] As a
> result,
> > human-trafficking is at an all-time
> high--evidence
> > of just how nefarious the medium can be, not
> for
> > exposure, but for deception.
>
> WARNING! May cause a panic. I'm sorry...I
> feel my next sentence has to be said.
>
> I have held back with a thought that I have had
> previous experience with in another non related
> situation. I want to puke and shudder as I dare
> type my question which is not a fact - only
> something to consider questioning.
>
> Before the building is bulldozed, will someone,
> please, please, please, survey for wrongly placed
> cameras????
>
> There I typed it- wasn't hard to do as I had
> struggled with. The hardest part will be for those
> who read this who may have been unaware that
> private moments may have been violated and
> illegally shared. Again, I am not saying
> this as a fact- only wondering so that we may
> have some one investigate the air ducts or
> fixtures where cameras could have been hidden.
>
> I feel bad for asking when the emotions have
> changed currently on this forum.

Hi PUDD,
I thought I was paranoid because I thought my landlord had bugged my cottage. A couple of times I woke up hearing noise outside me bedroom window. I told myself it was deer.
I also knew that during Halloween an elite group from the community went to a big party together. They met at the church and went from there. The children were babysat at the church and watched video by Gangnam Style. I thought too adult for children under 12. Also the kids were given huge boxing gloves to hit each other with. I left and went home so I don’t know.
I noticed that sometimes my landlord posted a “nice” photo of himself on FB but occasionally he would post what looked like an “evil” photo. I am suspicious so I always wondered if it was code for his moods or something.
Oh well. I hope my suspicions aren’t true. I think when the elite partied, they partied hard. I wouldn’t have been comfortable doing what I think they allowed themselves to do.

Northerngate replying to your comment December 10, 2019 06:14AM:

WOW! What can I say? Aren't we all paranoid about looking paranoid?

Well, there is the excuse it was "your guardian angles protecting you?' bullshit that was used on me by an un-related narcissist psycho path decades after I left the walk.

The equipment is available for any creep with e to buy and use as they please. I hope it is not true. I can only wish that my aspirations as a psycho thriller novelist could only be made up and never happen to good people.

You situation sounds so creepy gross. I'm so sorry.

Onion, Reepicheep, kBOY, Nancy B, PUDD,
Who I should be what I should be how I should be...
Every effort to twist my way out of the web just leads to becoming more stuck.
Well, the slow brainwash happened, and the vast majority of it was directed to reinforcing those ideas the abuser, dad and my two exs’, said was normal, but was not!
I clearly see that posts here sometimes trigger shame in me and I have to quickly reality-check the message I’m receiving. Yes, my ignorance still hurts. Yes, I am still pissed. Yes, I cry my eyes out on occasion. Yes, I want to disappear (fight or flight). But I am trying to give myself permission to feel these things for a couple of hours or days, then I reach out, talk through my feelings with people I trust and love,(2 people) and I move on. (I try very hard to move on)

NancyB Wrote:
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> Northerngate replying to your comment December
> 10, 2019 06:14AM:
>
> WOW! What can I say? Aren't we all paranoid about
> looking paranoid?
>
> Well, there is the excuse it was "your guardian
> angles protecting you?' bullshit that was used on
> me by an un-related narcissist psycho path decades
> after I left the walk.
>
> The equipment is available for any creep with e to
> buy and use as they please. I hope it is not true.
> I can only wish that my aspirations as a psycho
> thriller novelist could only be made up and never
> happen to good people.
>
> You situation sounds so creepy gross. I'm so
> sorry.

You are very gracious and affirming. I hope your novels kick ass. Keep me posted!
NorthernGate

N O R T H / N A N C Y b


It is interesting that both of you have chosen writing as therapy. Bringing darkness to LIGHT comes in many forms, either by talking to a therapist or documenting events in words, be they literal or fictional. The sheer act of unpacking damage that may have been inventoried for years in our subconscious is the first step in deciding to ultimately clean house and no longer be burdened with the baggage.

Every darkness we expose to the LIGHT, lessens our burden and increases our LIGHT.

Thank you kBOY. You are so right about that!!!

Northerngate, it has been tough for years to process. Take it slow and easy.

I've had a ton more flash backs,again. The interesting thing now is that I am no longer disturbed as i once was.

New pieces of the puzzle will trigger me. I have been able to be better rested and in a more healthy state than I had been. Being in a less medically vulnerable state with those pieces, I have more clarity to hypothesize on some weird things in a productive way.

Onion has been encouraging self nurturing. that is something that was not in my bag of tricks for myself - others, yes. My point is being in an over all healthy state is helping me not only move forward but give me more ideas on where and how to dig up "dirt" to find resolution with the emotional stress.

Researching for my writing, has helped me understand why I felt like I was chasing my tail. It was not me - it was the crazy - makers tactics.

I have to ask about Halloween and that crew. Wait, how do I ask? M-m-m? well, I always had an idea that South Gate and the Valley had been infiltrated by the hard core witch craft/ satanists- not sure what the whole seemingly coven was.

Anyone, could it be possible that these hard core parties Northengate saw were more than Halloween-ish? Not trying to start a rumor nor trigger anyone- tho' it is very likely.

Any thought, anyone? ( I may have too creative of an imagination as i question. At least we may be able to eliminate some ideas as we explore the possibilities with more little pieces..