kbyrne Wrote:
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> Catching up on the last few weeks of posts, so
> appreciative of those that continue to share.
> Thanks to those that have kept us updated on
> Shiloh. In reading the articles it made me
> wonder who actually owns Shiloh? Who will benefit
> financially from any deals done?
>
> Thanks changedagain for reposting Saw Enough's
> post from 2013. So true! And also for reposting
> sierradawn's story, which is heartbreaking.
> Shepherds calling themselves Christians, yet show
> no compassion. Unfortunately, this seems to be a
> reoccuring theme. It was the first I had heard or
> read about GH or MH asking people to give JRS a
> message on the other side. Struck me as odd, but
> somehow not surprising.
>
> It saddens me to think about people that blew out
> and were treated horribly. I can see faces, but
> have unfortunately forgotten names. I remember
> being told when one guy blew out, he had developed
> 7 different forms of cancer. Bizarre. But you
> learned quickly that you wanted to stay away from
> blowouts. It was self-preservation, which, of
> course, brought its own feelings of guilt.
>
> Talking about the paltry wages at Shiloh and
> kingdom businesses, it was also disapproved of to
> seek any kind of government assistance. I was
> reprimanded for getting my wisdom teeth pulled at
> the University of Iowa Dental School, for free,
> because I was willing to be a Guinea pig for a
> dental student. I was basically asked why I did it
> without asking or telling someone. Again, the
> guilt was piled on. Don't draw any attention to
> Shiloh, to the TLW. So afraid of outside
> scrutiny. We can't be seen as not taking care of
> the "little people," when in reality, they weren't
> taking care of the little people. People cover
> things up when they know what they're doing is
> wrong.
>
> I know there were those that worked and had good
> jobs outside of TLW, who TLW was dependent on to
> bring the money in. I'd be interested to know
> what kind of pressure was applied to them to give
> their money.
>
> And a word about GH. He never had John's
> charisma. I remember not wanting to transcribe
> his services, and I don't believe I ever did.

Hargrave sounds like a drone. Soooo Boring. He does not hold a candle to JRS as far as that. If Marilyn hadn't been the one pulling the strings, he never would have been able to pull it off. I too am sad to reread those posts and about the treatment of Bob McClane. He was a good guy. I see that there are loyalists that will never know freedom while they cling to that little maggot who is God to them. I can only think to light a candle in hope that they will make it out. And yet, some of them are pretty arrogant and nasty--guess it's a mixed bag of shit.

Shiloh/Kalona News...

[www.kalonanews.com]

A few quotes on the proposed annexation from the article:

“The city isn’t buying Shiloh,” Schlabaugh said. “Annexation does not mean ownership. We’re not looking to write checks.”

"Current discussions between Shiloh and the city involve Shiloh requesting a voluntary annexation of its 200-acre property into the city of Kalona."

"The current proposal would have the city taking ownership of the water and sewer system, as well as other already existing facilities on the property."

"Other facilities included in the discussion are the main building, an amphitheater and recreational facilities."

“This would give us an asset we would never build in a lifetime,” Schlabaugh said."

"Shiloh would maintain ownership of undeveloped parts of the property with the idea to sell to developers."

Question: Are there any other charitable organizations besides churches in which individuals who have donated thousands of dollars for years of their lives are not valued or their opinions taken into consideration because they stop donating? Asking for a friend...



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Reepicheep Wrote:
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> Question: Are there any other charitable
> organizations besides churches in which
> individuals who have donated thousands of dollars
> for years of their lives are not valued or their
> opinions taken into consideration because they
> stop donating? Asking for a friend...


Scientology

Posted by: Reepicheep ()
Date: May 06, 2019 02:46AM

Shiloh/Kalona News...

[www.kalonanews.com]

"Other facilities included in the discussion are the main building, an amphitheater and recreational facilities."

“This would give us an asset we would never build in a lifetime,” Schlabaugh said."

"Shiloh would maintain ownership of undeveloped parts of the property with the idea to sell to developers."

no comment



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It took three edits to arrive at 'no comment' :)

Kbyrne wrote:
And a word about GH. He never had John's
charisma. I remember not wanting to transcribe
his services, and I don't believe I ever did.

Cloudwatcher wrote:
Hargrave sounds like a drone. Soooo Boring. He does not hold a candle to JRS as far as that. If Marilyn hadn't been the one pulling the strings, he never would have been able to pull it off. I too am sad to reread those posts and about the treatment of Bob McClane. He was a good guy. I see that there are loyalists that will never know freedom while they cling to that little maggot who is God to them. I can only think to light a candle in hope that they will make it out.

If they just had a few seconds of clarity where saw his real nature (diametrically opposed to what he preaches), and the complete indifference he had for their welfare--that might do it. At least it would get them to reconsider their involvement. I had that epiphany and can still recall when and where it happened. From that point on it was simply a matter of time before I would make my exit. Fortunately, getting the family to come along was not the monumental task I thought it would be. Turned out they were as disenchanted as I was.
And yes, he is extremely boring, so ceasing to listen to his "living word" was a breeze :)



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Cloudwatcher Wrote:

And a word about GH. He never had John's
charisma. I remember not wanting to transcribe
his services, and I don't believe I ever did.
Hargrave sounds like a drone. Soooo Boring. He
does not hold a candle to JRS as far as that. If
Marilyn hadn't been the one pulling the strings,
he never would have been able to pull it off.

Gary is an intimidating guy. People have learned not to mess with him, since he thrives in confrontational situations (or used to). He may not have charisma, but he always speaks with confidence and conviction--giving the appearance of being very knowledgeable in many subject areas. And he knows how to look through someone, a trait all effective cult leaders seem to have :)
To this day people who have been severely harmed by the TLWF experience stay in the shadows, not revealing their abuses, for fear of retribution. And its understandable, given the possible consequences of speaking out. The downside can be significant--so I don't fault them for that.

Changedagain - You are so right. I wish there was a way to encourage people to speak out without triggering the walk conditioning that makes us feel like any minute we are going to get in trouble for some newly added "wrong" to the detailed and impossible list of do's and don'ts that were foisted upon us.

Maybe we could start an inventory list of conditioning to go with the weird walk talk dictionary.

Here is a start:

Do Not Speak Up

Do Not Ask Questions

Keep Your Eyes Open Because You Are About to get in BIG Trouble

The Walk Has the Power to Destroy Your Life

Do Not Make Any Decisions

Yes, congregants fearing an exceedingly vindictive, imaginary God (created by John, customized by G & M), while the leaders live basically lawless lives.
Nothing new under the sun.
-somewhere in Ecclesiastes