Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Cloudwatcher
()
Date: April 30, 2019 12:31PM
Hey everyone. I am catching up on posts.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: April 30, 2019 09:24PM
Reepicheep Wrote:
> Hi NancyB, Good to see you back here. :)
>
> I'm not sure about anyone else, but my answers to
> your questions are: No, No, No, No, No and No. I
> did not get enough quarters because my income was
> not reported to social security. Luckily, I'm ok,
> but I know that a lot of people aren't. It's like
> they thought that little kids who were mistreated
> would never grow up and say something, and adults
> who were taken advantage of would never get old
> and need retirement income. There was no thought
> for anyone but themselves.
True
> Hi NancyB, Good to see you back here. :)
>
> I'm not sure about anyone else, but my answers to
> your questions are: No, No, No, No, No and No. I
> did not get enough quarters because my income was
> not reported to social security. Luckily, I'm ok,
> but I know that a lot of people aren't. It's like
> they thought that little kids who were mistreated
> would never grow up and say something, and adults
> who were taken advantage of would never get old
> and need retirement income. There was no thought
> for anyone but themselves.
True
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: April 30, 2019 09:26PM
Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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> Hey everyone. I am catching up on posts.
Everyone has been getting along...no worries :)
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> Hey everyone. I am catching up on posts.
Everyone has been getting along...no worries :)
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
Reepicheep
()
Date: April 30, 2019 10:54PM
Richard M. and Cloudwatcher,
It's good to see that you're both still keeping an eye on the RR Forum. I'd love to hear from you both.
It's good to see that you're both still keeping an eye on the RR Forum. I'd love to hear from you both.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: April 30, 2019 11:55PM
kBOY Wrote:
> My entire Shiloh gig (‘78-’79) was done at the
> sawmill. Everybody, to my knowledge (350-450
> people at any given time), who lived and worked at
> Shiloh, made $80/mo plus room and board.
> Somewhere in early ‘79, the state came in and
> required the sawmill to pay it’s workers minimum
> wage ($2.00/hr.), so all of a sudden, the sawmill
> workers were ‘bank’--we made $80/week, when
> everyone else was making $80/mo. With no overhead
> to speak of, we had money to burn.
Once it is compulsory, they do the right thing.
> My entire Shiloh gig (‘78-’79) was done at the
> sawmill. Everybody, to my knowledge (350-450
> people at any given time), who lived and worked at
> Shiloh, made $80/mo plus room and board.
> Somewhere in early ‘79, the state came in and
> required the sawmill to pay it’s workers minimum
> wage ($2.00/hr.), so all of a sudden, the sawmill
> workers were ‘bank’--we made $80/week, when
> everyone else was making $80/mo. With no overhead
> to speak of, we had money to burn.
Once it is compulsory, they do the right thing.
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: April 30, 2019 11:56PM
Reepicheep Wrote:
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> Richard M. and Cloudwatcher,
>
> It's good to see that you're both still keeping an
> eye on the RR Forum. I'd love to hear from you
> both.
Yes
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> Richard M. and Cloudwatcher,
>
> It's good to see that you're both still keeping an
> eye on the RR Forum. I'd love to hear from you
> both.
Yes
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
changedagain
()
Date: May 01, 2019 12:14AM
kBOY Wrote:
We made $80/week, when everyone else was making $80/mo. With no
overhead to speak of, we had money to burn.
Yes--and your money probably went a lot further in Iowa than it would have in California. You were blessed, even if God had to move through the state to get you that blessing ;)
We made $80/week, when everyone else was making $80/mo. With no
overhead to speak of, we had money to burn.
Yes--and your money probably went a lot further in Iowa than it would have in California. You were blessed, even if God had to move through the state to get you that blessing ;)
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
NancyB
()
Date: May 01, 2019 02:39AM
Big hugs to you all, Reep, Changed, Cloud, Onion and all. I appreciate all the updates.
In case any readers are interested in the facts on how to report suspected tax fraud here is the link on how to get the form. It should also get any dear hanger-on-ers some facts to consider about mis-use of tax exempt funds. I have no real answers- only questions. I would our dear loved one who are hanging on the a false prophetic word" to please just consider preparing for irs audit on your income. ( I'm not a layer nor a prophet. I am very good at researching questions.)
[www.grfcpa.com] (sorry, I don't have the function to make it clickable.)
Quote:
"Print Form 3949-A from the IRS website or request the form by calling the Tax Fraud Hotline recording at (800) 829-0433. (Alleged tax law violations referrals are not accepted by phone.)cf0513b 2
Mail the form to Internal Revenue Service, Fresno, CA, 93888 to report the following:
False exemptions or deductions
Kickbacks
False/altered documents
Failure to pay taxes
Unreported income
Organized crime
Failure to withhold " ...end quote.
You can't make a report by phone. One would have to fill out a form then send it in.
With that said the irs may already be looking deep. "Our" income taxes as members of tlw at anytime could possibly be subject to investigation as well if "we" took charitable donation deductions that were unknowingly not legit or received or appeared to have received payments that we did or did not receive. ( I don't know - I'm just questioning-so take take as a fact.)
The possibilities are quite possibly unfathomable even to the "innocent" as to how "our" collective social security numbers are tangled into this mess...
I'm not a prophet nor am I a lawyer- I have a ton of questions that "we" deserve answers for... I am one heck of a researcher who really desires to have our lives appreciate some kind of balance and normalcy after suffering form such long term effects from the power and control we experienced.
Just a heads up for anyone who maybe was collecting SSDI or
SSI and got any kind of little slave labor payments you may be subject to having to pay that back. This is just a thought as the irs digs deep- so could it be possible if "our" names may pop up where we have no recollection in records. Not to cause a panic- but in reality, we know that books were cooked for a few at the top to profit.We know that at some time all members donated and many may have asked fro receipts. Who knows who all will get stuck holding the bags as more of the story unfolds.
(Just as am example that is Not related to tlw; I was getting ssdi myself- I got paid to part time care for an ailing relative. I got "over-paid" just a few $'s over what I was allowed to work and get paid when on ssdi. I have to pay back an entire year of ssdi- not just the few $'s i was over what was allowed. They determined I "worked" too much and not disabled. I am responsible. Some one else I know recently got a letter from ssi claiming they had too much income back in 2003. They have no idea where that came from - they have to sit down with soc security to dispute it.
Point is this: the the government will hold everyone accountable. "A wrong spirit" will not be an excuse in their minds.)
In case any readers are interested in the facts on how to report suspected tax fraud here is the link on how to get the form. It should also get any dear hanger-on-ers some facts to consider about mis-use of tax exempt funds. I have no real answers- only questions. I would our dear loved one who are hanging on the a false prophetic word" to please just consider preparing for irs audit on your income. ( I'm not a layer nor a prophet. I am very good at researching questions.)
[www.grfcpa.com] (sorry, I don't have the function to make it clickable.)
Quote:
"Print Form 3949-A from the IRS website or request the form by calling the Tax Fraud Hotline recording at (800) 829-0433. (Alleged tax law violations referrals are not accepted by phone.)cf0513b 2
Mail the form to Internal Revenue Service, Fresno, CA, 93888 to report the following:
False exemptions or deductions
Kickbacks
False/altered documents
Failure to pay taxes
Unreported income
Organized crime
Failure to withhold " ...end quote.
You can't make a report by phone. One would have to fill out a form then send it in.
With that said the irs may already be looking deep. "Our" income taxes as members of tlw at anytime could possibly be subject to investigation as well if "we" took charitable donation deductions that were unknowingly not legit or received or appeared to have received payments that we did or did not receive. ( I don't know - I'm just questioning-so take take as a fact.)
The possibilities are quite possibly unfathomable even to the "innocent" as to how "our" collective social security numbers are tangled into this mess...
I'm not a prophet nor am I a lawyer- I have a ton of questions that "we" deserve answers for... I am one heck of a researcher who really desires to have our lives appreciate some kind of balance and normalcy after suffering form such long term effects from the power and control we experienced.
Just a heads up for anyone who maybe was collecting SSDI or
SSI and got any kind of little slave labor payments you may be subject to having to pay that back. This is just a thought as the irs digs deep- so could it be possible if "our" names may pop up where we have no recollection in records. Not to cause a panic- but in reality, we know that books were cooked for a few at the top to profit.We know that at some time all members donated and many may have asked fro receipts. Who knows who all will get stuck holding the bags as more of the story unfolds.
(Just as am example that is Not related to tlw; I was getting ssdi myself- I got paid to part time care for an ailing relative. I got "over-paid" just a few $'s over what I was allowed to work and get paid when on ssdi. I have to pay back an entire year of ssdi- not just the few $'s i was over what was allowed. They determined I "worked" too much and not disabled. I am responsible. Some one else I know recently got a letter from ssi claiming they had too much income back in 2003. They have no idea where that came from - they have to sit down with soc security to dispute it.
Point is this: the the government will hold everyone accountable. "A wrong spirit" will not be an excuse in their minds.)
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Posted by:
NancyB
()
Date: May 01, 2019 03:03AM
My family can personally question money that was donated to a church camp was not used for church camp. I have no idea what other families consider as mis-use of donations to a non profit.
Here is another link to a resource to consider abuse of non-profit funds. Do with it what you think applies to you as I'm not telling anyone what to do as the one and only answer.
How do I file a complaint against a non profit?
[www.nonprofitexpert.com]
Here is another link to a resource to consider abuse of non-profit funds. Do with it what you think applies to you as I'm not telling anyone what to do as the one and only answer.
How do I file a complaint against a non profit?
[www.nonprofitexpert.com]
Re: This discussion fellowship has been going strong for 14 years...
Posted by:
NancyB
()
Date: May 01, 2019 05:44AM
corboy Wrote:
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> This discussion fellowship began February 22,
> 2004.
>
> As of this morning (1/6/2014 6:33AM PST) this
> thread is at reached 554 pages.
>
> Some reflections on Rick Ross's list of
> characteristics of a potentially unsafe group or
> leader
>
> The group/leader is always right.
>
> This makes it hard for persons harmed by the
> leader to obtain a hearing. Result is that the
> fellowship gets only the leader's side of the
> story.
>
>
> Who leaves? People who feel harmed, exploited -
> and who can point to sources of evidence. But they
> are regarded by the leader as evil, members are
> forbidden
> to talk to them, so again, only the leader's side
> of the story gets a hearing.
>
> Former members often relate the same stories of
> abuse and reflect a similar pattern of
> grievances
>
> Here and there someone may experience only love,
> joy and healing from a leader or group. But what
> if very many others are experiencing pain,
> loneliness and harm? If one person has only good
> experiences, does this cancel out the collective
> experiences of those who have felt pain?
>
>
This quote is worth re- reading over and over.
With that said, I believe many of us left because we questioned the leader. Most of us have not seen each other in years or even decades, yet our stories are consistent and fill the gaps for so many of us.
Why can't the TLW produce any reasonable financial records that show how our donations were used according to the mission statement for which the non-profit funds were donated?
Sure, we all "felt" something wonderful at sometimes- but feelings that we cherished and words we chose to believe not relevant when it comes to accurate booking and distribution of funds in a non-profit organization under the laws of the United States.
For those who hang on to the prophecies, which never came true btw, show us the financial accounting for our donations that were to go for a church camp and your 'round conference center. I don;t think they add up in a godly non-profit charitable way. Show how our donated work and money were accounted for under the laws of non-profit according to the IRS who surely has a "bad spirit" about not paying our taxes.
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> This discussion fellowship began February 22,
> 2004.
>
> As of this morning (1/6/2014 6:33AM PST) this
> thread is at reached 554 pages.
>
> Some reflections on Rick Ross's list of
> characteristics of a potentially unsafe group or
> leader
>
> The group/leader is always right.
>
> This makes it hard for persons harmed by the
> leader to obtain a hearing. Result is that the
> fellowship gets only the leader's side of the
> story.
>
>
>Quote
There is no legitimate reason to leave,
> former followers are always wrong in leaving,
> negative or even evil.
> Who leaves? People who feel harmed, exploited -
> and who can point to sources of evidence. But they
> are regarded by the leader as evil, members are
> forbidden
> to talk to them, so again, only the leader's side
> of the story gets a hearing.
>
> Former members often relate the same stories of
> abuse and reflect a similar pattern of
> grievances
>
> Here and there someone may experience only love,
> joy and healing from a leader or group. But what
> if very many others are experiencing pain,
> loneliness and harm? If one person has only good
> experiences, does this cancel out the collective
> experiences of those who have felt pain?
>
>
Quote
Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk,
> John Robert Stevens
> Posted by: Reepicheep
> Date: December 22, 2017 10:04PM
>
> By Rick Ross, Expert Consultant and Intervention
> Specialist
>
> Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe
> group/leader.
> •Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful
> accountability.
> •No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
> •No meaningful financial disclosure regarding
> budget, expenses such as an independently audited
> financial statement.
> •Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such
> as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and
> persecutions.
> •There is no legitimate reason to leave, former
> followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or
> even evil.
> •Former members often relate the same stories of
> abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
> •There are records, books, news articles, or
> television programs that document the abuses of
> the group/leader.
> •Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
> •The group/leader is always right.
> •The group/leader is the exclusive means of
> knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other
> process of discovery is really acceptable or
> credible.
>
> Sounds familiar, right? These signs were evident
> under JRS, G&M, and are still apparent today.
> Thank you, changedagain, and so many others for
> posting your thoughts and experiences about TLWF
> over the years. You have helped many, including
> me.
This quote is worth re- reading over and over.
With that said, I believe many of us left because we questioned the leader. Most of us have not seen each other in years or even decades, yet our stories are consistent and fill the gaps for so many of us.
Why can't the TLW produce any reasonable financial records that show how our donations were used according to the mission statement for which the non-profit funds were donated?
Sure, we all "felt" something wonderful at sometimes- but feelings that we cherished and words we chose to believe not relevant when it comes to accurate booking and distribution of funds in a non-profit organization under the laws of the United States.
For those who hang on to the prophecies, which never came true btw, show us the financial accounting for our donations that were to go for a church camp and your 'round conference center. I don;t think they add up in a godly non-profit charitable way. Show how our donated work and money were accounted for under the laws of non-profit according to the IRS who surely has a "bad spirit" about not paying our taxes.
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