Collusion, no collusion, criminal conspiracy, no criminal conspiracy, obstruction of justice, no obstruction of justice, exonerated, not exonerated...
Doing what I can to bring this discussion group back to a relatively civil state.
I hope this post is not counterproductive.

p.s. Off to Costco. If some Nephilim blocks my path again to the salted caramel macadamia clusters, a confrontation is inevitable. No more tolerance.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2019 12:15AM by changedagain.

Changed,

Hope the nephs at COSTCO let you get your candy. There's nothing worse than being run down by satanic channels while grocery shopping.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2019 06:14AM by Reepicheep.

Thank you everyone for sharing so candidly. I know for most of us this openness is often emotional - it can come out in the not always best wording. Sometimes anger shows- I don;t blame any one for being angry as we work towards healing.

I am grateful that we as a group of survivors can feel emotion. There are areas of TLW, for me, where I still can not feel. Family who left in good timing when it was still a loving group of
bible based sermons , will say to me " Let it go. Move forward. Forgive and forget." I am glad they left when they did- for their sake.

My emotions are stuffed where I need to grieve the most. I will guess that is the case for many of you. While it can be a challenge to write our experiences - some aren't ready for the truth - there are those of us who really need past due to read the past due truth. So thank you everyone for sharing so courageously.

At best, my internet access has been spotty and will continue to be a challenge for a few more months-so I have been trying to catch up on the current events. I have not caught up on reading, yet. While I have a chance I want to ask some questions that may or may not have been specially addressed in regards to legal issues.

Some months back when I dropped off the face of the Earth I wanted to post some government links about what Non-profits can and can not do. If not addressed, yet, I believe it's worth a look.

Basically, if a pastor is paid to write sermons and manage the needs of the folks in the flock spiritually, there is to be no Double- Dipping by making a profit on the sermons pastor was paid to prepare and present.

A few of my notes are below - a work in progress - I have questions if any one has the answers as related to TLW.

Where did the money from the sale of goods go to?

Isn’t the pastor being paid to prepare sermons and deliver?

Is it ethical to sell recordings back to the people who paid tithes for a profit over the cost of reproducing a DVD for personal gain? Or is it Double Dipping? What does US law say when the pastor has already been paid to prepare sermons?

Is that receipt for a booklet written by the pastor and sold as a Fund Raiser going to pass the test for a legit charitable contribution or not if audited by the IRS? ( If you tithed and bought tapes then got a receipt would our charitable deductions be red flag to the IRS or not?)

Is the pastor salary and parsonage paid for by church members contributions? ( Yies! By whose opinion is 'enough''?) Is that salary enough for the pastor and his family to live or do they need another income on top of what work they do for the church?

What’s a normal salary for pastors?
[www.churchlawandtax.com]

Businesses owned by Church or the church leaders? Are members encouraged to only shop from that business?

[www.capincrouse.com]

What is a UBI?
Unrelated Business Income


Can the church book store sell books or tapes on church property that will go to private bank accounts rather than the mission of the church book store and still be considered Tax Exempt?
Any one know how the books were kept?

Was there any church property rented out? Who got the money for the rent paid?


How were Kingdom Businesses’ set up?
• On church property? Rented form the pastor or rented from someone else?
• Were 85% of Kingdom Business workers Volunteers or paid employees?
• Did volunteer workers collect SSDI or Medicaid and food stamps because they were over worked and under paid?


[www.capincrouse.com]


Does a UBI qualify for TAX exemption status or not?

[www.irs.gov]

Reepicheep Wrote:
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> More about the pressure on victims to forgive from
> The Daily Beast
> [www.thedailybeast.com]
>
> "One particularly troubling example of this
> pressure comes from the published guidelines of
> the Advanced Training Institute (a Christian
> curriculum TLC’s Duggar family used to homeschool
> their children) for addressing sexual abuse in the
> home. It explicitly requires child victims to
> forgive their abusers in a 10-step process that
> includes first looking for guilt in oneself (“Why
> did God let it happen? Result of defrauding by:
> immodest dress, indecent exposure, being out from
> protection of our parents, being with evil
> friends?”).
>
> "The problem isn’t just that these manuals
> explicitly invite victims to blame themselves, the
> problem is that it creates a cavalier expectation
> of forgiveness. It is easy to see how a family
> reared on these manuals would urge its young women
> to publicly forgive their abuser. In a culture
> that values forgiveness, condemnation awaits those
> who refrain. Our language mirrors the subtle
> religious rhetoric: to be “unforgiving” is to be
> harsh, judgmental, and lacking in compassion. The
> common understanding of forgiveness fails to
> recognize how much work and time is involved in
> genuine forgiveness."
>
> Good job, TLWF. After more than sixty years in
> existence, you have attained the same high level
> of teaching as the group mentioned above. True
> forgiveness is not automatic and should never be
> demanded from victims.

Reep, you always share such great insight and perfect resources. Thanks

Onion Wrote:
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> Lots of lovely action happening on the legal front
> in California.
>
> Assembly Bill 218 would expand both the statute of
> limitations for victims of childhood sexual
> assault, from age 26 to age 40, and the period for
> delayed reasonable discovery, from three to five
> years. After enactment, the measure would also
> allow for a window of three years for the revival
> of past claims that might have expired due to the
> statute of limitations.
>
> In cases where a child becomes a victim of sexual
> assault as the result of an effort to cover up
> past assaults, AB 218 will allow a court to award
> recovery of up to treble damages from the
> defendant who engaged in the cover-up.

Thanks Onion

Onion, I know you loved Bob. Thanks for speaking out.I'm so sorry. After all these years, I wonder how the kids are doing.

Not to distract from your loss, but, do we have any idea of exactly how many alleged "suicides" happened among the Anaheim? We lost quite a few.

And then the whole corrupt organization? Some one I loved was lost- I think pushed. So much for having revelation about caring for one's flock.

I have no idea the number of losses of lives that could have been prevented. But I suspect that what I do I know, I believe is appalling lack of under stated spiritual leadership on M & G part as the cap on the pyramid.

Do I dare say ______?
I will put it this way; I have been suicidal.I got in that state because I was pushed past exhaustion all too many times and I knew too much.

Was I "suicidal"? or was I pushed with out a choice? The way the cult operated, we were not taught nor allowed healthy/ balanced coping skills. I can't speak for B ob or all the other we lost, but in my case, "they" tried to keep me from getting 'help."

changedagain Wrote:
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> Onion Wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any idea or opinion on just
> how
> > the Amphitheater ever benefited Shiloh's
> > tax-exempt purpose? Were there shows that had
> a
> > message about religion or spirituality? Did
> > anyone gain anything from those shows other
> than
> > Rick getting to do what he liked while giving
> > himself access to shop for prey? And who paid
> for
> > all the after parties and booze for all,
> including
> > the underage women? I'm assuming the expenses
> > were paid by the churches. Rick had unlimited
> > financial backing. And apparently, still does.
>
> And the city of Kalona may end up eventually
> owning the amphitheater. Interesting.

Yes, VERY interesting considering tax exempt status. And to think the youth group in the late '60's prayed fro a year 'round church camp fro every one.

Onion Wrote:
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> Just because a nonprofit gives away property it
> built in violation of IRS rules for nonprofits,
> doesn't mean they are off the hook for their
> history of violations. If money is involved,
> there will be a paper trail. If tax exempt money
> was used to benefit an individual, especially an
> insider (someone involved in the oversight of a
> nonprofit or is a family member of a leader) there
> will be tax consequences
>
> If Shiloh (or whoever owns all those acres not
> being given to the City) sets up parcels for homes
> to be built, it would be nice if they would
> consider benefiting people who gave everything to
> Shiloh starting with the Bender family.

Thank you Onion, the Bender family for one and other families whose ancestors were in that area of Iowa before it was a state lost their inheritances. The few at the top of the pyramid were never willed nor bequeathed sh-t to them. The land and family money was to build a place to worship God and learn holy scripture vs an empire.
Any idea how the state will look at the records of donations with the Benders being at the top of the "to b e paid back list"?

Prettyboy Wrote:
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> kbyrne,
>
> i got a chuckle out of your $80/mo - i got $20/mo,
> must mean you were 4x my worth. given that, you
> must be very wealthy today!
>
> happy trails, prettyboy


Was that like an 'allowance for boarding school'? How did tlw justify the room and board expense on their non-profit? Did any one ever graduate with a diploma from learning to be pure and obedient? Did your little allowances or paycheck ever pay into ssi;ssdi; soc security; income tax? Did tlw pay for health insurance?

Don't mean to rub salt in any wounds, but, we got screwed- the kingdom did not come and we are not getting any younger. Ffor those who are getting ready to retire or find they are too disabled to work- one has to have put in enough "quarters" in order to collect for the Soc Security system.

Any idea on how tlw handled this on their... non-profit forms to the irs and soc sec admin?.

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Was that like an 'allowance for boarding school'? How did tlw justify the room and board expense on their non-profit? Did any one ever graduate with a diploma from learning to be pure and obedient? Did your little allowances or paycheck ever pay into ssi;ssdi; soc security; income tax? Did tlw pay for health insurance?

Hi NancyB, Good to see you back here. :)

I'm not sure about anyone else, but my answers to your questions are: No, No, No, No, No and No. I did not get enough quarters because my income was not reported to social security. Luckily, I'm ok, but I know that a lot of people aren't. It's like they thought that little kids who were mistreated would never grow up and say something, and adults who were taken advantage of would never get old and need retirement income. There was no thought for anyone but themselves.