903,921 page views to date...
I hope none of them are con men looking for new victims. We're not available!
Wait...God speaks to you? Hmm...that's interesting.

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Changedagain,
While I know Stevens was a phoney, I didn't know Hargrave, but for Marilyn, she fully believed Stevens was the way to "serve God. " What changes happened to her afterwards I don't know.

I hear you, Richard. My exposure to Marilyn started in the early 80's, and as you said, she could have been completely different than what she was starting out. John very well could have corrupted her.
Gary was my first pastor, so I had exposure to him during my entire tenure in TLWF.
Thanks for weighing in.



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changedagain Wrote:
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> 903,921 page views to date...
> I hope none of them are con men looking for new
> victims. We're not available!
> Wait...God speaks to you? Hmm...that's
> interesting.

905,000+ now and still counting ...

If not the best, certainly we were in the most interesting cult.

I feel a sense of pride welling up in that accomplishment. Could it be the Nephilim spirit in me?

Amos Wrote:
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> changedagain Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > 903,921 page views to date...
> > I hope none of them are con men looking for new
> > victims. We're not available!
> > Wait...God speaks to you? Hmm...that's
> > interesting.
>
> 905,000+ now and still counting ...
>
> If not the best, certainly we were in the most
> interesting cult.
>
> I feel a sense of pride welling up in that
> accomplishment. Could it be the Nephilim spirit in
> me?


It's not what John envisioned, but it seems like the Nephilim spirit is getting the Word out. God can obviously move through unworthy vessels. He is not limited.

New to the site. Been reading since Oct. 2018 when my wife and I went to a Palmer Lake church meeting and found out in one fell swoop about Rick's predator nature. Haven't had a church service since. I read pages 668-present and 1-423. Shalom is very courageous. I came into the group in 1972 in Campbell, CA under Howard Kline.

I remember whenever there were what is called "siftings" everyone that made it through would cheer, like I must be really spiritual and part of Gideon's 300. I always hated that thinking because where was the love for the people? Christ said the true shepherd would go find the one (hurt, bleeding and lost), and restore them to health. I don't remember pastors taking a week or two off from the 99 or more people they pastored to go help those that got hurt. Anyway, that is a start. I have a lot bottled up that needs to come out over time. This forum has really been helping me. I am now seeing what restored Peter after he denied the Lord was when Jesus was able to change his focus to loving and tending the sheep (people ... I know sheep isn't a too popular word). When Peter really cared for what Christ cared for (and died for); that helped his restoration into fellowship with the Lord with no condemnation. Peter still made mistakes (Paul had to correct him for hypocracy in treating Gentile Christians different that Jewish Christians in Acts); but thank God he was open to letting Paul correct his wrong thinking and fear of man.

Welcome typer!

typer Wrote:
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> New to the site. Been reading since Oct. 2018 when
> my wife and I went to a Palmer Lake church meeting
> and found out in one fell swoop about Rick's
> predator nature.

Gary authorized an independent investigation a few months ago and hopefully we will know soon whether Rick did anything wrong and anyone covered up for him. It's an independent investigation, so we should get the truth. If it wasn't independent, I would have cause for concern. I would not trust results of an investigation that is not independent. When I heard it was going to independent, I had a sigh of relief.

changedagain -

Thank you for that independent summary of the independent investigation. I feel so much safer now.


With regards and independence (wait, isn't that supposed to be a bad word?) -

that little red flag