jrs was a delusional visionary. i bought into it for a time. the marilyn/hargrave juggernaut was only visionary with respect to the money.

Prettyboy Wrote:
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> i hope to get some clarification from
> changedagain with her/his recent comment which
> reads "the encouragement for ex-members to 'move
> forward' into a new day. the response is every
> bit as disingenuous as i anticipated". my
> puzzlement in your reference is to which is
> "disingenuous" - the ex-member or the responses.
> please advise.



Hi Prettyboy,

The response from ex-leaders of TLWF and those who remain loyal to them.

p.s. I can understand you wanting to get off the "steamrolling train." All the best, and keep in touch :)



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CARe Wrote:
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> Hello. I've been following you all since late
> October when the house of cards began to fall. I
> am so grateful that you all are here to help those
> of us who are just now seeing the truth.
>
> A few things about me is I'm 3rd generation, born
> to 1st generation brought into LW as an infant. I
> was part of the unfolding and unwrapping. I'm
> reluctant to post my whole story as I have family
> members who are still loyal to LW but I will post
> some chapters that do not involve them, as I heal.

Looking forward to it, CARe. Welcome!

larry bobo Wrote:

> Perhaps the quickest way to recover from unhealthy
> relationships is to establish healthy ones –
> starting with our self. We tend to attract others
> just like us. It’s helpful to be armed with some
> insight so you can identify healthy (and
> unhealthy) people. There are many wonderful
> people in the world, none perfect, that will give
> you hope that life really can be better than what
> you have known in the past.

Yes

Does anyone know happened to Bruce Larson of the San Diego church? Fired? Still active? Or simply moved on?

Hi Prettyboy - The disingenuous reference by changedagain I believe is to the responses from the leaders - they pr4omised investigations and counseling but so far I have heard from several people who have called the investigation number and who have never been called back and I also understand the counseling has not been followed through with.

The apologies came with promises of reform but then everything slunk back below the surface of the water like an old gator and hasn't been seen since.

We still have a lot of work to do. Keeping our mouths yapping on this site seems a good way to keep everything moving.

Welcome Camus. The last thing I heard was that Bruce Larson is taking control of the San Diego church and holding it loyal to Gary Hargrave and the LW.

puddington Wrote:
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> Welcome Camus. The last thing I heard was that
> Bruce Larson is taking control of the San Diego
> church and holding it loyal to Gary Hargrave and
> the LW.

Based on what I've heard, this isn't true. The San Diego church is still in limbo - some loyalists, some who want something new. Nothing has been decided.
But, BL is still around.

Onion Wrote:
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> Hi Prettyboy - The disingenuous reference by
> changedagain I believe is to the responses from
> the leaders - they proomised investigations and
> counseling but so far I have heard from several
> people who have called the investigation number
> and who have never been called back and I also
> understand the counseling has not been followed
> through with.
>
> The apologies came with promises of reform but
> then everything slunk back below the surface of
> the water like an old gator and hasn't been seen
> since.

Yes--empty promises to escape accountability. It's worked in the past, so why break the pattern? (s/)

Anonymous4Now Wrote:
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> puddington Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Welcome Camus. The last thing I heard was that
> > Bruce Larson is taking control of the San Diego
> > church and holding it loyal to Gary Hargrave
> and
> > the LW.
>
> Based on what I've heard, this isn't true. The San
> Diego church is still in limbo - some loyalists,
> some who want something new. Nothing has been
> decided.
> But, BL is still around.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Based on history, I think it's reasonable to assume Hargrave and Larsen will not operate in good faith, and look after their own interests first and foremost. Empty promises serve to buy time...so they can pursue what they really want.