Blowout Wrote:
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> I doubt he's following this thread... but maybe
> it'll get back around to him or bare minimum some
> of the Palmer Lake congregants will read:
>
> Jason,
>
> I know this whole week has likely been devastating
> to you. Please don’t take my statements as too
> cold or unaware of the full consequences of what
> has finally come out into the open. Some of us
> went through this devastation decades ago, and
> while to you these new developments in your
> organization probably feel like salt on an open
> wound, to myself and many others, the salt has
> long since rinsed away and the wound become only
> another scar.
> While your statement does seem well thought out
> and heartfelt, don't you believe that your current
> position of leadership (continuing now since
> childhood) precludes you from continuing to lead
> these people in the future? Can you honestly
> expect anyone to believe that, now, just because
> you're sorry, you don't still hold a position of
> power that is a direct lineage from JRS’s original
> culture that you so adequately describe as
> “poisoned from the beginning”? Your parent’s
> direct connection with JRS, with that poison, is
> what put you in your current leadership position.
> It’s why your family was spared from the
> separation, the alienation, the shunning, and
> abuse. It’s why you’ve been able to enjoy your
> family while so many others have had theirs ripped
> apart.
> You can't say that just because you're getting the
> professional help that people don't see you as
> their leader, that people won’t continue to put
> you on a pedestal. You can't help that, and you
> can’t fix it. It's ingrained in their psyches and,
> as you said yourself, it’s been poisoned. Your
> charisma, like your father’s and like JRS’s before
> him will have these broken people, again, hanging
> on your word, again, following your lead, again,
> following the words that have failed them so many
> times before. Any position of leadership you will
> ever hold with these same people will be tainted
> by the idolatry that has been so prevalent in this
> cult. If you truly do believe the things you wrote
> in your statement, you will step down. You will
> not continue with that crown on your head that has
> been passed down by JRS, you will make your way on
> your own without the power to control. To do that
> you’ll have to admit that you’ve been corrupted by
> this power, you’ll have to admit that your power
> and position are falsely appointed and leave these
> people to heal with the professional help and make
> your own way.
> I would never want the congregants to force you
> out or to ostracize you… I would never want them
> to do what your parents or G&M or so many of the
> other leaders who tore families and people apart
> for their own power have done. The only honorable
> thing to do in your position, Jason, is to take
> your family and go where no one knows you. Build
> a new life, learn what it’s like to find a job
> when no one knows your name, learn what it’s like
> to make new friends after you’ve had your
> foundation ripped from under you. EARN your own
> trust and respect without having it given to you
> by false gods and idolatry. Learn what it has been
> like for so many families. Only you'd still have
> it better without this organization coercing your
> family not to speak to one another.
> If you could do that, you could earn my respect
> and my forgiveness. Until you can, J&A will just
> be another G&M, and the Baker family just a new
> set of Walkoes. You have to, as you say, “root it
> out”…
> You, my (once) friend, are the root.

Very well said--eloquent and insightful and true. I hope Jason and his wife heed your words. It could mean a wonderful life ahead for them. Take the freedom--get out and see the world and people as they really are.

It has come:

[www.thelivingword.org]

Oh okay Blame it on the holy spirit---here we go folks.

My initial reaction to the big 'apology':

Gary,
Asking the Lord to forgive your sins, without admitting specifically what they are (and you know), is not going to cut it. Start with admitting the fact that you covered up the actions of a prolific sexual predator for decades--rebuffing those who advised you to remove him from the ministry. The onus can no longer be on the people to show mercy and pray for leadership, which they have done countless times. They are at a point of exhaustion...so no other burdens should be laid upon them. For once, be an example, and put the entire burden upon yourself and other TLWF leaders at fault (Rick, Scott etc.). That's where it belongs. It is not a time for you to assume a shepherding role, and guide people you have consistently betrayed. Step aside, completely.

Holy Spirit: How many times do I have to tell you to get rid of Rick? He's harming people over and over and over again. Are you deaf to my still soft voice?
Gary: What?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2018 10:37AM by changedagain.

Agreed, ChangedAgain!

"I should have followed the voice of the Lord and the leading of the Holy Spirit and dismantled what I believed to be a sin of hierarchal organized religious systems."

So, The Lord, The Holy Spirit AND YOU told you to stop this. You knew it on every level imaginable, and you did nothing for over 20 years. But we're supposed to trust you to your "retirement" now? Paid for by whom? "Other avenues of livlihood." Like book sales? Titles written from your position of authority? Selling a house or two are you? Whose money bought them in the first place? Or just residual income from OUR investments in YOU?

But, questioning makes me one of "those" pitiful destructive types, eh?

"I know there are always a few who seem to seek destruction; however, I believe the majority of people we have heard from are finding a needed expression and want to see fundamental and lasting change in an organization and culture that has been hurtful to them."

All nice and neat and tied with a bow. If you want it to be leveled so that it can never happen again, you are destructive. If you want to leave the man in the shadows with the new puppets running the show out front, then That's Right! Amen! (You're just the kind we want! Stick around! We'll have offerings shortly and you can double tithe to help rebuild!)

Like any good politician, you're sorry YOU GOT CAUGHT. If you were sorry it happened in the first place, it would have ended decades ago, not now when it has become public and irrefutable, you sick bastard.

Time for me to take a break. My Holy Stomach is telling me it will heave if I don't. I prefer to listen the first time. ;-)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2018 11:04AM by JezTheBelle.

He is a master at manipulation, I grant him that. I'm sure somewhere tonight in TLWFland wounded sheep are crying out for God's mercy.

Wow...that’s all I can say right now. I grew up in TLW. My parents met and married at Cornish. (First direct contact with GH...I never knew why, but I never liked him. John Miller, Randy Parks and many others there were all fine with me then (I was 11/12 yo), but something felt wrong to me with GH). We lived at and thru the debacle known as “the mine/ranch”, we left for awhile, returned on the east coast, I graduated from high school at Shiloh...and then I was done with it all. Why? Because my teen brain decided that “I don’t want the elders to tell me how to live.” Somehow, some way, He was looking out for me.

I never witnessed any of the things that Shalom or Maureen have written about and posted on social media. But as I said, I was done in 1980.

I remember gossip and rumors, but you didn’t ask questions. I tried to ask my parents, but was shut down. My father crossed over as a member of the Grants Pass church and my mom is still there. She has told me more than once that she will never leave “the body”, ever again. She and my father actually bought the property where the Grants Pass church sits and gave it to TLW. I try not to be bitter or hurt, but my parents never gave me anything. I’ve done just fine in life, but what an eye opener!

As this mess unfolds, I’m interested in seeing who will be held accountable. I’ve spoken to my mom since this all started, but she’s not even mentioned it. I won’t ask her either...she believes dirty laundry belongs in the hamper and not outside being aired!

Cloudwatcher:

Haha, thanks. They won’t, but it was fun writing anyway.

All of us should be raising our trumpets and playing .... “FOLLOW THE MONEY!” A forensic audit should be contracted before Gary or any other board of director makes any changes.... in fact that responsibility should be given to an independent group.

Follow the money and the walls of deception will begin to crumble!