Drbuckingammd - I don't know if I am addressing John or Michael but I apologize for posting any information that I learned from innuendo or rumor. I really try to post my opinions and conclusions as only that. If I have posted a fact, I have done so from personal knowledge or as a percipient witness.

I am not an attorney any more (as I have mentioned on this site repeatedly) but I think it's always best for people to speak out - but to make it clear when they are telling an actual fact and then to distinguish from those facts what conclusion they arrived at or what is based on their feeling or opinions they derived from the facts that occurred.

This would avoid false accusations and save everyone a lot of heartaches and possibly prevent allegations of slander. In my humble opinion that is.

Blowout Wrote:
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> I find myself wondering who some of you are...
> because I'm sure some, if not most of you, are at
> least acquaintances. But then I read posts like
> those from "drbuckunghamdc" who had “the guts” to
> presumably misspell his own name because he was in
> such a hurry to warn us with the veiled threats
> that are so common in this cult... "watch out"
> "you are becoming evil". Then I remember why most
> of us remain anonymous, I remember why I left in
> the first place. I don’t want you or anyone to
> know who I was. I’m embarrassed to say I was
> associated with this cult and I’m disgusted that
> you and I were likely in the same place at the
> same time breathing the same air and soaking up
> the same delusion.
> Well, Dr Buckungham, there are some new names
> below, not just for you, but because there should
> no longer be silence, because this cult should no
> longer be able to shut people up with its empty
> promises and empty threats.
> That’s not to say that many people in this cult
> are not kind and loving (however gullible), to
> varying degrees. That’s exactly why it’s also
> littered with sociopathic predators that will use
> any type of manipulation they see fit to further
> their agenda and to keep their power over people
> who will believe (anyone else will be shunned btw,
> convenient). I’ve seen first-hand how they
> alienate those who speak up, split families apart
> to thwart communication, bend the truth just
> enough so it’s hard to tell that it’s a lie. Rick
> Holbrook & Scott McDonald are only the ugly
> perverted tip of the iceberg. The perversion runs
> deep. While Gary & Marilyn covered up Rick abusing
> girls, John & Chris Sayer covered up Tony Flores
> abusing the boys. And don’t you doubt that John &
> Chris’s children won’t pick up that mantle…
> They’re in deep.
> But when you take a step back it’s farcical. When
> you read actual literature (and no, the bible and
> JRS twaddle do not count) and talk to normal
> educated people…you realize how silly it really
> is. No one would believe that crap, right? The
> lexicon that Shalom uses in her letters really
> brings me back. The way these words are used make
> me remember how gullible I really was, how I
> bought it.
> It’s like a novel “heart, ministry, shepherding,
> spirit, rebellion, apostolic company, mantle,
> anointing, the Word, prophecy, revelation”?! They
> use this vocabulary as Newspeak designed to be
> ambiguous, designed to be fantastical, designed to
> keep the proles from ever fully understanding the
> story (because, believe me they really don’t
> themselves, no one does). It’s designed to keep
> the mystery alive and give those who have the
> power even more control over their subjects,
> ultimately designed to keep money flowing into
> their corporations. JRS, Gary & Marilyn, Matt &
> Margo. These people have been living large on
> their flock for some time. Just look at some of
> their properties, it’s public information. You
> think they got these things from the sweat of
> their brow? Nope. They got it from the people
> that fell for the JRS fiction, the
> LRonHubbard-like fully immersive cosplay with real
> emotional and physical consequences. It’s a
> disgusting game that the people almost understand
> they’re playing. What the ones that stay don’t all
> understand (sometimes refuse to understand), is
> that it’s a zero-sum game. They don’t win until
> you lose… that’s how they win, someone loses, an
> example must be made. Someone has to be
> excommunicated, someone must split from their
> family, someone has to bend to the will of the
> elders, while you’re in it, they win.
> “The only winning move is not to play”
> I’m so glad it’s no longer a part of my life. I’m
> so glad my children will never meet the
> sociopaths. I’m so glad that their castle is
> crumbling because it’s built on a lie, because
> it’s built on the blood, sweat, and tears of
> people who were brainwashed into believing their
> drivel.
> I can only hope this continues and that the whole
> congregation wakes up, and that every person that
> has played a part in this fiasco has to go out and
> find a real job and find a real life, one where
> they have no control over other people’s lives,
> one where they must earn trust instead of having
> it anointed by a crackpot fantasy.


Well said!!!

Oh Blowout - Thank you. I didn't even catch that Drbuckunghammd misspelled his own name (or the name she rather than he? was using). I know both Buckingham men and both are very smart and well educated. The post didn't seem to come from that background but I thought perhaps it was because the poster was mad. Now I see it was probably another trickster trying to delve into the identities of those who want or need to stay anonymous.

I still believe what I wrote previously:

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"I am not an attorney any more (as I have mentioned on this site repeatedly) but I think it's always best for people to speak out - but to make it clear when they are telling an actual fact and then to distinguish from those facts what conclusion they arrived at or what is based on their feeling or opinions they derived from the facts that occurred.

This would avoid false accusations and save everyone a lot of heartaches and possibly prevent allegations of slander. In my humble opinion that is."

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I also strongly believe that requesting people to act in a certain way, to tell their stories in a certain way, to use certain words, to accept blame for their pasts in a certain way -- are all ways that resemble the cult we are so thankfully escaping. A group of individuals responding and expressing themselves each in his/her own way is kind of an unkempt crowd right now but freedom looks like that. Let it continue and grow! YAY!

Thanks Onyun.

Liamthomasusa: Thank you.

Onion: I Honestly don't know any Dr. Buckinghams... but I seriously doubt it is whoever they claim to be anyway, the writing is textbook TLW in tone. Shaming, appealing to whatever sense of authority they can grasp, guilt trip. I don't even think some of them know they're doing it, it's just an affect they pick up in that culture.

I agree on both points,
(1) being clear in writing and speaking should ultimately result in a reduction of false accusations, but emotions run high when dealing with these people. They want that, they use it against you in the court of TLW where you are tried by a jury of your peers acting like they are better than you, acting like they know more than you :)
(2) You're absolutely right, it may seem like chaos, but that's what freedom looks like sometimes. A sharp and quick pinprick was created in their power bubble by Shalom's post. The ensuing outpour of emotion, pain, outrage, memory, etc. is just the truth filling up the vacuum that was created by their lies and power structure, finally a bit of equalization. Hopefully, the bubble will completely pop before they can spin all of this into something that was just another "spiritual battle" PUKE!!!

Has anyone contacted the news about any of this? Putting this in the public eye as much as possible would definitely help to shine a light on all of this.

I can't wait to see the show. With Rick in an orange jumpsuit and stupid glasses as the screen fades black. Doors slam shut behind him.

serving time in That Prison.

Onion Wrote:

> I also strongly believe that requesting people to
> act in a certain way, to tell their stories in a
> certain way, to use certain words, to accept blame
> for their pasts in a certain way -- are all ways
> that resemble the cult we are so thankfully
> escaping. A group of individuals responding and
> expressing themselves each in his/her own way is
> kind of an unkempt crowd right now but freedom
> looks like that. Let it continue and grow! YAY!

Yes

Ha! Yes!!