changedagain Wrote:
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> The Apostolic Totalitarian Ministry--we've all
> experienced it to one degree or another. Whatever
> you've given to this ministry, even if it's your
> whole being, is never enough. It always wants
> more...is never satisfied. The latest demands, of
> course, have to do with obedience. Obedience,
> obedience, obedience. Good luck on fulfilling
> that one. History (65+ yrs.) suggests it is a
> futile exercise--you will never be obedient
> enough to please the taskmaster, I mean, loving
> father. But if those still in TLWF want to put in
> the effort yet again, good luck to you. But don't
> be surprised if you return to the starting point,
> bashed...I mean, lovingly chastised, for not
> measuring up to the glorious 'word' you have
> received.
> And the cycle continues...

The sheeps shortcomings will be forgiven when the sheeps wallet is empty. Its at times of "obedience" that my a** hole puckers and I know exactly whats coming next.

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> I spent the last year. Doing homework. Examining
> cult brainwashing and mind control theories. Both
> for and against. I've concluded. Brainwashing and
> mind control theories are a myth. A fantasy.
> Delusion. The links below. Are critical of cult
> brainwashing theories. But they are worth reading.
> You can form your own opinion. Sharing another
> point of few should be welcomed on the message
> board. And telling a current LW member or expat.
> They are/were brainwashed. Maybe is not the truth.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [journals.openedition.org]
>
> [www.standleague.org]#


Interesting conclusion on your end NickleandDimed, due to the fact that per the many studies on cults / mind control, etc... there is a near split in thought process between psychologists. I am assuming that you were at one time, if not currently in TLW? Which makes it all the more baffling for me to comprehend your apparent conclusion. I will agree to disagree with you on this.

As we know, there are numerous studies on cults / mind control. Below is a link that I found to be interesting.

[people.howstuffworks.com]

None of the legal structures of TLWF etc. are that strong and certainly are far from bulletproof. The attorney relied upon by these organizations has never done anything in the law except draft documents that no one has ever taken the time (or had the balls) to challenge. She has less court experience than anyone who has ever challenged a traffic ticket and certainly has no analytic experience concerning litigation of any kind.

If a 501(c)3 (like the churches, apco, etc.) goes off the rails and improperly uses church funds (as I believe they already do on a grand scale) then no one should be afraid to challenge it in courts or thru the IRS if you have the time, knowledge and funding. The courts/IRS have their own interests in guarding against misuses of offerings by greedy leaders. Don't forget Jim and Tammy Baker and their excesses and how they were held to answer.

People who have a wonderful time having parties and designing lavish party pads and shows etc. etc. and never even take the time to pretend they are a minister of the word to the people whose time and money they so gleefully use, should and hopefully will be held to answer at some point - hopefully sooner than later.

Here’s a basic question. Does anyone know what the total membership headcount was at the peak of the Living Word’s heyday? Was is 5000 members?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/07/2018 06:50AM by puddington.

Onion Wrote:
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> None of the legal structures of TLWF etc. are that
> strong and certainly are far from bulletproof.
> The attorney relied upon by these organizations
> has never done anything in the law except draft
> documents that no one has ever taken the time (or
> had the balls) to challenge. She has less court
> experience than anyone who has ever challenged a
> traffic ticket and certainly has no analytic
> experience concerning litigation of any kind.
>
> If a 501(c)3 (like the churches, apco, etc.) goes
> off the rails and improperly uses church funds (as
> I believe they already do on a grand scale) then
> no one should be afraid to challenge it in courts
> or thru the IRS if you have the time, knowledge
> and funding. The courts/IRS have their own
> interests in guarding against misuses of offerings
> by greedy leaders. Don't forget Jim and Tammy
> Baker and their excesses and how they were held to
> answer.

Onion, don't the TLWF bylaws say something about a mediator chosen by the TLWF or Apostolic Fathering Ministries in case of disputes? Would that ever hold up? Also, I don't think that those were ever read and certainly not signed by the congregations, so how could they be held to that?

Onion Wrote:
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> None of the legal structures of TLWF etc. are that
> strong and certainly are far from bulletproof.
> The attorney relied upon by these organizations
> has never done anything in the law except draft
> documents that no one has ever taken the time (or
> had the balls) to challenge. She has less court
> experience than anyone who has ever challenged a
> traffic ticket and certainly has no analytic
> experience concerning litigation of any kind.
>
> If a 501(c)3 (like the churches, apco, etc.) goes
> off the rails and improperly uses church funds (as
> I believe they already do on a grand scale) then
> no one should be afraid to challenge it in courts
> or thru the IRS if you have the time, knowledge
> and funding. The courts/IRS have their own
> interests in guarding against misuses of offerings
> by greedy leaders. Don't forget Jim and Tammy
> Baker and their excesses and how they were held to
> answer.
>
> People who have a wonderful time having parties
> and designing lavish party pads and shows etc.
> etc. and never even take the time to pretend they
> are a minister of the word to the people whose
> time and money they so gleefully use, should and
> hopefully will be held to answer at some point -
> hopefully sooner than later.


I agree in that there are many ways to peel this Onion if one so desires. Taking them apart (legally) would be easy ( as they appear to be in a precarious position ) but what you will pay a lawyer may exceed any award. more accurately getting judgement is only a small part of the battle. Collecting is the big job.

GoingRogue Wrote:
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> Onion Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > None of the legal structures of TLWF etc. are
> that
> > strong and certainly are far from bulletproof.
> > The attorney relied upon by these organizations
> > has never done anything in the law except draft
> > documents that no one has ever taken the time
> (or
> > had the balls) to challenge. She has less
> court
> > experience than anyone who has ever challenged
> a
> > traffic ticket and certainly has no analytic
> > experience concerning litigation of any kind.
> >
> > If a 501(c)3 (like the churches, apco, etc.)
> goes
> > off the rails and improperly uses church funds
> (as
> > I believe they already do on a grand scale)
> then
> > no one should be afraid to challenge it in
> courts
> > or thru the IRS if you have the time, knowledge
> > and funding. The courts/IRS have their own
> > interests in guarding against misuses of
> offerings
> > by greedy leaders. Don't forget Jim and Tammy
> > Baker and their excesses and how they were held
> to
> > answer.
>
> Onion, don't the TLWF bylaws say something about a
> mediator chosen by the TLWF or Apostolic Fathering
> Ministries in case of disputes? Would that ever
> hold up? Also, I don't think that those were ever
> read and certainly not signed by the
> congregations, so how could they be held to that?

The bylaws state that there is no court and no mediation but that APCO decides all matters and their word is final. This only applies to civil matters and disputes over theology or money or property. This statement has NO effect on issues like tax evasion, fraud, fraud in the inducement etc. States laws vary greatly. The "restated" by laws are available on the State of Californians website for corporate records. Search CHURCH OF THE LIVING WORD. Great reading if your looking to ferret out weasels.

Copy and paste the link into your browser. Happy reading.




[businesssearch.sos.ca.gov]

Hopefully the Google link works:


[goo.gl]

Do all churches in Cali have security like this?
looks like a nice street.

Tmason Wrote:
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> Copy and paste the link into your browser. Happy
> reading.
>
>
>
>
> [businesssearch.sos.ca.gov]

A little light reading...ugh!