Wow, interesting YouTube clip. And though the LW will deny it, JRS was heavily influenced by William Branham.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2017 02:27AM by puddington.

changedagain Wrote:
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> Lily:
> "Towards the end of my stint at Shiloh, I was
> getting pretty sick and tired of ministries taking
> their own imagination for the voice of God."
>
> That, in a nutshell, explains the insanity we were
> subjected to. God forbid that we ever applied
> logic or reason to situations. The will of God,
> apparently, was almost always something that would
> seem bizarre to a 'normal' person.
> From my experience, the weirdness would often be
> justified by referring to the scripture that
> proclaims God's ways (ministries being God, of
> course) not being our ways. That scripture (Isaiah
> 55:8) sure got mileage in the little pernicious
> cult.

I have to say, during my time in the LW, I doubt I ever saw or heard or experienced a spiritual gift that was genuine like those New Testament powers described in Acts.


larry bobo Wrote:
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>Here's another group believing for someone to be raised from the dead.

{pulpitandpen.org}

Here's another one believing for someone to be raised from the dead.

Tele-evangelist Benny Hinn: "Here's what I see for Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN). You're going to have people raised from the dead watching this network. People will say to undertakers, "Not yet. I want to take my dead loved one and place him in front of the TV set."

Not sure I'll be adding that to my Advanced Health Care Directive.



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changedagain Wrote:
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> > From my experience, the weirdness would often be
> justified by referring to the scripture that
> proclaims God's ways (ministries being God, of
> course) not being our ways. That scripture (Isaiah
> 55:8) sure got mileage in the little pernicious
> cult.

Nothing has changed. Still the same old same old mantra.

If You Love Me Everything Will Change

Posted on November 12, 2017

By Gary Hargrave

To grasp what God is doing in the circumstances of our lives, we must see that He is (I AM) always working towards his eternal purpose for us. His (MY) thoughts are not our (YOUR) thoughts and His ways (MY WAYS) are not our (YOUR) ways.....He has (I HAVE) many things to tell us (YOU) but like the early disciples, we're (YOU'RE) not able to bear them.

Watch out LW. Gary is about to lay another heavy duty unreasonable weird trip on you.



Happy Birthday, Marilyn!

Posted on November 17, 2017
By Gary Hargrave



Today is a special Sabbath to me – Marilyn’s birthday! It is a perfect occasion to remember and honor (OR REJECT) this amazing woman of God and spiritual (NARCISSISTIC) mother to so many worldwide.

Marilyn lived with an unwavering (AND ELITIST) drive to serve the Lord (AND BE SERVED). With the unselfish love of a spiritual (ELITIST) mother, she travailed over each person with the expectation that we would become vessels of God’s Word (TO SERVE HER). Every day she prayed the Lord’s prayer: Your Kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. She was—and is—an example of unrelenting (KINGDOM NOW) intercession. Throughout this travail, she expressed God’s love (AND HER HATRED) to all of us in a simple yet powerful way (AND MADE MANY MEMBERS WANT TO LEAVE THE LW CHURCH FOREVER).

On her birthday today, we celebrate her faith by entering into the Sabbath rest and celebrating God’s presence. Thank you, Marilyn, for drawing us into a deeper relationship with our Father (AND THROUGH YOUR BEHAVIOR MAKING ME SEE HOW FALSE YOUR WERE). We honor you by staying true to (REJECTING) all that you imparted to us.

>>
> larry bobo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Here's another group believing for someone to be
> raised from the dead.
>
> {pulpitandpen.org}

> lily rose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Here's another one believing for someone to be
> raised from the dead.


> Tele-evangelist Benny Hinn: "Here's what I see for
> Trinity Broadcast Network (TBN). You're going to
> have people raised from the dead watching this
> network. People will say to undertakers, "Not
> yet. I want to take my dead loved one and place
> him in front of the TV set."
>
> Not sure I'll be adding that to my Advanced Health
> Care Directive.


Ha! Me either. My transition out of the LW cult took a few wrong paths. I attended a few Benny Hinn events. I still craved the extraordinary. But Hinn had his own book of dirty tricks. The healings were not genuine.

NickleandDimed:
Watch out LW. Gary is about to lay another heavy duty unreasonable weird trip on you.

It's a relief not having Gary's thoughts be my thoughts, or Marilyn's ways being my ways. Never regretted finding a way to get off that roller coaster from hell.
Ha

“Roller coaster from hell”

Sounds like an AC/DC song.

puddington Wrote:
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> “Roller coaster from hell”
>
> Sounds like an AC/DC song.

"Hey mama, look at me
I'm on my way to the promised land,
I'm on the highway to hell
Highway to hell"

(sing in the spirit)

Really happy to discover this thread. Been desperately trying to find more people that I can relate my story to that will understand what I have/am going through.

When I look back at the reasons I've ended my relationships in the past, the answer that rings in my ear is my family. They have convinced me to end so many relationships that I've been happy in and and with because they believed that God did not want us to be together or I was being affected by being around them.

I was born into The Walk in southern CA ('78). My Mom and Dad met at the church in Hawaii. I am not sure when, but I think it was in '76. They painted this idyllic picture of pure praise and worship. The glory days of working for IMPACT, getting impartations from JRS, the Brothers all blessing me at my baptism, being part of the first fruits. They always told us they left when things got bad after JRS divorced his wife. I always thought they left the cult and it's teachings behind in the early 80's, but now i realize they only just became a smaller version of it. Instead of JRS, My dad and Mom were at the head, me and my sisters comprising the Body.

I thought that the secret vocabulary(affected, transference, binding, etc..) and practices(such as blasting connections, speaking judgement, rebuking passivity, etc) were something unique to my family. Maybe they borrowed some things they learned from the Walk, but for the most part it was something they had been developing and trying to teach us all this time. It was always evolving by my dad and mom's direction, incorporating Kabbala, Ouspensky and Gurdjieff, Tarot, sign reading, etc... But at the core was maintaining your walk with God and loosing his perfect will at all costs. This made it very difficult to follow and exponentially difficult to share.

I never knew how to explain what my family believed so I always left huge chunks out to anyone I got close to. This always ended in them not understanding why I left them or knowing my family coerced me into it. I learned to keep major parts of my life secret and tried to protect my relationships from them and my family from exposure out of loyalty, even when I had major doubts about what they believed.

I met my wife online and from the beginning I did not let my family know much about it because I knew they would get a check on it. Eventually I told them and they met her as well. They have tried to influence my decisions surrounding her from the beginning. Things grew, despite my family's involvement. We bought a house together, got pregnant and then got married. Every big milestone or decision we tried to make, there was a very vocal outcry led by my mother that it needed to be a certain way. For a long time, I've been trying to make compromises between what I want to do and what they feel is best for us to do.

My wife has tried to relate to them and understand their perspective as best she can (with the censored version I shared), but they have never accepted her. We get along great and do not fight much, but when we do it is about one thing: my family and mother meddling in our marriage. I'm only recently seeing how damaging it has been for my wife and destructive to our marriage.

It got so bad, we almost separated. I eventually revealed everything to her and she helped me to see how destructive this belief system was. I went No Contact with my family and we are rebuilding apart from them. I've been doing research about the walk and I read the Woodrow Nichols book, "EXPERIMENT IN END TIME APOSTASY: THE WALK of JOHN ROBERT STEVENS The History, Beliefs, and Spiritual Dynamics of a Christian Cult"

This book blew me away. Things did not start getting bad with Marilyn, JRS was under the influence of some very dark things well before that. Everything I thought was unique and special and worth protecting about my family's belief system was born out of JRS's delusional ego and spread through fear and control. This is not something that needs protecting, it needs exposure. It almost destroyed my wife and kid's lives. Something I thought had died almost 40 years ago has only been growing in all of us. Inception of the highest order.

So right now, I feel shattered and hollow. Not sure what I believe, like walking around with a broken compass. I guess I'm looking for resources and advice from those that have escaped this way of thinking and have gotten on the other side.

Welcome to the message board Tknc. I think there's a lot to be learned from the children who were born into the Walk. Thank you for sharing your story. IMO much of what JRS taught was classic Pentecostalism and an openness to the continuation of the gifts. But then there was that continuing revelation thing JRS said he walked in--that it was equal to scripture. And it seems most who were part of the Walk or TLWF who still idolize JRS, seem to think that it's okay that JRS listening for the voice of God could be fallible. That's like saying prophecy still exits, but it is not infallible. Yet in the Bible as many other posters have pointed out, there is no such thing as fallible prophecy from God. That's very disturbing to me. Congrads for doing your own research. There are undoubtedly others who share your struggles.

Tknc Wrote:
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> Really happy to discover this thread. Been
> desperately trying to find more people that I can
> relate my story to that will understand what I
> have/am going through.
>
> When I look back at the reasons I've ended my
> relationships in the past, the answer that rings
> in my ear is my family. They have convinced me to
> end so many relationships that I've been happy in
> and and with because they believed that God did
> not want us to be together or I was being affected
> by being around them.
>
> I was born into The Walk in southern CA ('78). My
> Mom and Dad met at the church in Hawaii. I am not
> sure when, but I think it was in '76. They painted
> this idyllic picture of pure praise and worship.
> The glory days of working for IMPACT, getting
> impartations from JRS, the Brothers all blessing
> me at my baptism, being part of the first fruits.
> They always told us they left when things got bad
> after JRS divorced his wife. I always thought they
> left the cult and it's teachings behind in the
> early 80's, but now i realize they only just
> became a smaller version of it. Instead of JRS, My
> dad and Mom were at the head, me and my sisters
> comprising the Body.
>
> I thought that the secret vocabulary(affected,
> transference, binding, etc..) and practices(such
> as blasting connections, speaking judgement,
> rebuking passivity, etc) were something unique to
> my family. Maybe they borrowed some things they
> learned from the Walk, but for the most part it
> was something they had been developing and trying
> to teach us all this time. It was always evolving
> by my dad and mom's direction, incorporating
> Kabbala, Ouspensky and Gurdjieff, Tarot, sign
> reading, etc... But at the core was maintaining
> your walk with God and loosing his perfect will at
> all costs. This made it very difficult to follow
> and exponentially difficult to share.
>
> I never knew how to explain what my family
> believed so I always left huge chunks out to
> anyone I got close to. This always ended in them
> not understanding why I left them or knowing my
> family coerced me into it. I learned to keep major
> parts of my life secret and tried to protect my
> relationships from them and my family from
> exposure out of loyalty, even when I had major
> doubts about what they believed.
>
> I met my wife online and from the beginning I did
> not let my family know much about it because I
> knew they would get a check on it. Eventually I
> told them and they met her as well. They have
> tried to influence my decisions surrounding her
> from the beginning. Things grew, despite my
> family's involvement. We bought a house together,
> got pregnant and then got married. Every big
> milestone or decision we tried to make, there was
> a very vocal outcry led by my mother that it
> needed to be a certain way. For a long time, I've
> been trying to make compromises between what I
> want to do and what they feel is best for us to
> do.
>
> My wife has tried to relate to them and understand
> their perspective as best she can (with the
> censored version I shared), but they have never
> accepted her. We get along great and do not fight
> much, but when we do it is about one thing: my
> family and mother meddling in our marriage. I'm
> only recently seeing how damaging it has been for
> my wife and destructive to our marriage.
>
> It got so bad, we almost separated. I eventually
> revealed everything to her and she helped me to
> see how destructive this belief system was. I went
> No Contact with my family and we are rebuilding
> apart from them. I've been doing research about
> the walk and I read the Woodrow Nichols book,
> "EXPERIMENT IN END TIME APOSTASY: THE WALK of JOHN
> ROBERT STEVENS The History, Beliefs, and Spiritual
> Dynamics of a Christian Cult"
>
> This book blew me away. Things did not start
> getting bad with Marilyn, JRS was under the
> influence of some very dark things well before
> that. Everything I thought was unique and special
> and worth protecting about my family's belief
> system was born out of JRS's delusional ego and
> spread through fear and control. This is not
> something that needs protecting, it needs
> exposure. It almost destroyed my wife and kid's
> lives. Something I thought had died almost 40
> years ago has only been growing in all of us.
> Inception of the highest order.


I liked your post. My Mom once told me that Bessie, Marilyn's mother, was concerned that John was like a Svengali to Marilyn. I find it helps to keep seeking and sorting things out. And when you recognize. Something is off. Say something.