kBOY Wrote:
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> HEADBANGER NEWS: Malignant Growth
>
> "Growing The Body Of Christ In Oneness"
> November 19, 2016
>
> [www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]
> ing-the-body-of-christ-in-oneness/
>
> "The fruit of the gift ministries is not to see a
> few individuals minister[/i] (or mostly one, in
> this case); rather, their anointing
> (or obvious lack thereof) must bring
> a many-membered Body of Christ to a place of
> oneness and maturity (which has yet to
> manifest in over half a century) so the
> Body moves in a ministry to the world."
>
> "The people of the Cathedral of Praise are on the
> brink of changing the landscape of Christianity."
> (No false hope there.)
>
> "The first step is for you to pray for a
> revelation of where He has placed you in the Body
> (or where you stand in the pecking order of
> the organizational hierarchy)."
>
> "He places every member in the Body as it pleases
> Him (or wherever brown-nosing the leadership
> has gotten you)."
>
> "When you receive that revelation, then commit
> with all your heart, in love and in faith, to
> function as a member of that Body." (Drink
> the entire pitcher of Kool-Aid.)
>
> "In that place where He (the
> leadership) sets you, you will mature and
> grow in His glory . . . (with the leadership
> reaping the benefits of all your
> sacrifice)."
>
> "The flow of oneness (brown-nosing)
> will grow until every member of this fellowship
> carries Christ’s glory (while enriching
> the leadership) and imparts it to the
> worldwide Body of Christ." (Call the CDC
> immediately.)


Will someone please call out the "fruit" inspectors!

heshealing Wrote:
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> After reading posts regarding Marilyn's two sides,
> the love/acceptance side and the anger/rejection
> side, I had this thought: perhaps she is bipolar.
>
>

She most likely had a personality disorder. What you describe is the operant conditioning of pavlov's dogs. That is how she viewed all of us.

changedagain Wrote:
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> I have no idea.
> It would be fascinating if everyone who has
> written in this forum could glance at what would
> have taken place in their lives if they had not
> been given to "the kingdom." Perhaps I could have
> completely devoted myself to managing a Foster's
> Freeze ;)

I have thought of that over and over. But it is so futile to do that--the depression comes in because I know the ways my life would have been different. I half to hope that all of us will do good in the life we have left and make the path bright for every person who comes out of that crucible called the Living Word.

kBOY Wrote:
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> FCSLC/CHANGED & CO:
>
> The tragic irony of the Walk is that instead of
> fostering a mature individual 'walk with God' as
> initially advertised, it created a culture of
> perpetual dependency on someone else's 'walk',
> which in many cases as noted on this forum, was
> anything but.
>
> A lot can also be said about our own mindset as
> 20+ year olds (most of us, anyway), coming out of
> the roaring 60's with plenty on our plate. We can
> at least now give ourselves some credit for having
> seen enough light to find our way out of the
> darkness that some still find themselves in.


Hear! Hear!

puddington Wrote:
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> My do-over would be my family. My parents, my
> siblings and my old close friends. Those
> relationships were trashed by the LW cult culture.
> A lot of those loved ones are gone now. For
> others, it was just too much shunning for them to
> take from me. Those relationships are permanently
> damaged. I cry when I think of the wasted years
> I spent in TLWF.


It was not a waste puddington not a waste. We have learned more in coming out of that than most people even know exists. Our experience is one that will help others. It would be good to have some public awareness but mostly--to help support and inform those who will come out and also feel like their life has been a waste. Someday the moratorium on relating to each other will be lifted. But I hear you on the destroyed family relationships and may you find peace and possibly reconciliation if that is possible.

Thank you for being here for all of us as we are here for you. All Love.

The Sarge--And I thought I was the only one, along with pbxguy, possibly. Everything in your post is so patently obvious I cannot understand why so few of us figured it out. Eventually we questioned the walk and found it lacking, and that is great. Now we wonder why it took so long to employ the logic required to dismiss those contradictory and irrational beliefs. Oh, the kingdom, the kingdom! Walk erect into it! Healings and other miracles, speaking in jibberish, prophecies, words from god, blessing with palms, cursing with thumbs, the anointing, the enemy, warfare, auras, Babylon, speaking things into existence, singing in the spirit, the cloud of witnesses, submitting to ministry, on and on. All of it false, but associated with some good feelings we could not part with easily. Some left because they were not treated well, or because the leaders crossed a line so ridiculous it could not be rationalized a moment longer. But for those who left because we questioned and rejected the beliefs themselves, good for us, I say. That is the best reason in my book, to realize the whole thing did not make sense and act accordingly. But nonsensical beliefs are hardly limited to the walk, and it behooves us to continue to question. Traditional Christian beliefs are every bit as contradictory and nonsensical as the walk. Heaven and hell, a deity that has a punitive interest in every single facet of our lives, the trinity, original sin and salvation, faith, angels, virgin birth, resurrection, revelations, the entire old testament--come on. Not only do they not make sense, but they handily coincide with an historical hierarchy controlling ignorant people through fear and reward. The cult called the walk merely imitated the cult called Christianity, which imitated the cult of Judaism. We were not all that original after all. It is smart to question everything and to require evidence for extraordinary claims. The religious cult one has gone to is not necessarily more accurate than the cult one has left.

Lamp --

I totally agree. Most of what we call "cultic" in TLW exists throughout Christendom in varying degrees. Unfortunately, a lot of this seems wired into human nature. Just look at the recent election -- we elected a demagogue.

HEADBANGER NEWS: Cultivating Lapdogs

"Your Will -- Perfected And Matured"
November 20, 2016

[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

" As God’s family, we become the atmosphere of love and faith (say what?) in which believers are brought into maturity and perfection (led around by the nose)."

"Jesus was not born perfect; He learned obedience from the things that He suffered, and so shall we (and so many have)."

"The first step of maturity (in becoming a lapdog), and the first thing God (leadership) will do with us as we become His family, is to perfect our will (via submission, suppression, discipline, correction--the full beatdown)."

"But He is unable (but leadership is) to make us do His will; we must determine to do His will." (We are either 'in', or we will be 'out'.)

"As mature, perfected (beaten down) sons, we will bow our knees and confess with our tongue that . . . (we drank the whole pitcher of Kool-Aid)."

One thing I've noticed is that once I get someone to submit to me, the whole oneness thing becomes much easier. Otherwise, it is pretty much impossible.

Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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> changedagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have no idea.
> > It would be fascinating if everyone who has
> > written in this forum could glance at what
> would
> > have taken place in their lives if they had not
> > been given to "the kingdom." Perhaps I could
> have
> > completely devoted myself to managing a
> Foster's
> > Freeze ;)
>
> I have thought of that over and over. But it is
> so futile to do that--the depression comes in
> because I know the ways my life would have been
> different. I half to hope that all of us will do
> good in the life we have left and make the path
> bright for every person who comes out of that
> crucible called the Living Word.

Yes