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COLLECTED MARANATHA STORIES:


During the last MLTS, one or two of the performances involved smoke and there were smoke machines on stage. While Rose was speaking, I saw smoke coming down from the ceiling. Like everyone else, I assumed one of the setup crew accidentally pushed the wrong button while preparing for the next performance. But when Rusty came through a few months later, he said, “Did any of you see the smoke coming down from the ceiling while Rose was speaking? I’ll bet you thought that smoke was from smoke machines. Well, the convention center doesn’t have smoke machines on the ceiling. That smoke was the cloud of glory.” If there was anyone in Maranatha who absolutely lusted after these kind of experiences, it was Rusty.



After the ad hoc committee meeting, our pastor, who was regional director at the time, announced during a Sunday morning service, “Walter Walker and Rose got a word that there was a spirit of deception at work during the meeting.”



One of my friends was full time for a few years. Shortly before he got out of the ministry, he got a call from Gainesville saying, “That committee is trying to get a copy of our leadership manual. Destroy your copy.” He destroyed it. I’m pretty sure all copies were destroyed. If any copies were left, it would have been on the Internet a long time ago.



During Bob’s early days in Paducah, he proposed a merger with a local charismatic church. He and the pastor of the charismatic church sat in the pastor’s living room until 3 a.m. debating church government. The charismatic pastor passed on the merger. After the breakup, Bob sent word through a mutual acquaintance, “You were right, that’s not the right form of church government.”



A board member told me Bob had to do some damage control at a board meeting because a third of the board was on the verge of walking out. I’m pretty sure Bobby Bonner was the source of this. After Bobby left, our pastor’s wife said, “There was a real spirit of brotherhood during the last board meeting.” To clarify for the people in the room, she added, “There had been a dissenter in our midst.”



During an MLTS, Oral Roberts, preached on the devil saying, “Maybe so, maybe not.” During the sermon, he used oral sex as an example and renounced it using relatively mild but graphic descriptions. There was a scramble to get the children out of the balcony. After Roberts’ sermon, Kenneth Copeland tried to defuse the situation by saying, “After this sermon, some of you will never do it, and some of you will never do it again.” Gloria Copeland ignored it and spoke on her own topic: Praying for a crop failure if you make a mistake. Then Bob said, “I appreciate what Brother Copeland tried to do, but I don’t appreciate that verbal pornography and I’m going to write a letter to Brother Roberts.”



Rice Broocks was walking behind Oral Roberts and telling Roberts about what Maranatha was doing. He wasn’t getting Roberts’ attention, so he started talking about bigger and bolder things. Turning to the person who was walking next to him and pointing back to Rice, Roberts’ said, “That guy just shot up on my level.”



Oral Roberts and his wife visited the Copelands while Rice was there. Kenneth got on Rice’s case and said, “What are you waiting for, take their coats off!”



While Rice was full time with Maranatha, he had a $2000 a day expense account. A local elder insisted he had a reliable source for this figure. Whether this figure is accurate is not the issue. The issue is whether as a faith teacher he had an expense account or salary at all. One thing occurred to me after hearing this story: I recall Rice sharing a lot of miraculous healing testimonies, I don’t remember him sharing any financial miracle testimonies.



About the time Moral Majority was gearing up, when a lot of Christian leaders had become disenchanted with Jimmy Carter, one of our local elders came back from a National Affairs Briefing with this story: Someone at the National Affairs briefing had a copy of the newsletter of the Communist Party of New York. The newsletter was dated late 1976 or early 1977. The newsletter included this announcement: “Some of our members are leaving to join the new administration in Washington.” The list of names included Cyrus Vance. Another story that came out of this National Affairs Briefing: During a trip to India, Carter allowed a Hindu priest to smear goat’s blood on his forehead.



While directing the Task Force, Bob Nolte told stories about his days with the Chicago Tribune. Among these stories:
He was driving home from work when he saw two white police officers get out of their patrol car and drag an old black drunk man into an alley. He heard a scuffle, the he heard shots. He saw the police officers come out of the alley, he did not see the drunk come out. The police officers got in their patrol car and drove away. Nolte called his editor. He was told, “You didn’t see that.” Nolte said, “What do you mean I didn’t see that?” The editor explained, “You’ll split this town wide open, “then said again, “Go home, you didn’t see that.” Nolte went home.

Sly and the Family Stone was scheduled to perform in the Chicago park. They were notorious for not showing up at their concerts. When the crowd got restless, it turned on the police. The police circled their patrol cars in a crevas and took their stand behind their patrol cars. The crowd went into the crevas. When the crowd got close, the police started shooting.

He was assigned to cover an election in the suburbs. It appeared to be a routine assignment. But he discovered that the mayor had an overdose of humor. The mayor did things like name a fire station dog as fire chief and paint the fire hydrants polka dot. Nolte made a list of the mayor’s official acts. The mayor had been in office for a while and was expected to win again with no contest. But because of Nolte’s story, the election went to the dark horse and the now ex mayor sued. As he was driving across the Chicago bridge, he heard the radio news announcer say, “Bob Nolte today became the first newspaper reporter ever sued for a million dollars.” When he arrived at work, his boss called him into his office and said, “You got a million dollars, Nolte?” Then he told Nolte that the publisher was confident about the lawsuit. Of course, the disgraced mayor didn’t have a case because everything Nolte reported was public record.



[I would appreciate it if anyone could confirm, correct, or refute any of these stories.]


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SECOND LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF WASHINGTON CITY PAPER

You really need to delve into Ball’s relationship with Champions members, especially Brunell and Green. They and other Champions members who attend Every Nation churches are forbidden to associate with him. Champions members who are not Every Nation church members probably received a phone call or an email saying, “Greg has been removed from office after an ‘inappropriate’ relationship with his secretary.” But Every Nation members attended a members only meeting after one of the Sunday worship services and were told “Greg is ‘in sin’ or ‘in rebellion’.” Anyone who attends an Every Nation church knows they will get in BIG trouble if they are caught hanging out with Ball or even contacting him, although athletes probably wouldn’t get disciplined near as fast or near as hard as “regular” members. I don’t have this first hand and no one has posted it on the FactNet site, but that was the Maranatha procedure and you can bet that’s the Every Nation procedure.

Apart from religious aspects, from a strictly practical standpoint, that’s the only way Every Nation leaders have of protecting themselves from a stampede of high profile and very high salaried tithers. Ball had a much closer relationship with the athletes than Broocks and was much more popular with them than Broocks. If Broocks allowed them to associate with Ball, Ball would quickly and easily win them over. Then he would start his own sports ministry and Champions would become a ghost organization virtually overnight.

I was in the Austin church for several years and knew Ball all too well. He was much more the locker room evangelist than Broocks. I was in Maranatha when Champions was founded. I saw the original brochure. It had Ball's picture on it, not Broock’s picture. Broock’s role was always secondary, even nominal. Champions was Ball’s project from the beginning, period. For Broocks to outmaneuver Ball was quite a coup. If the Feste mess and Ball’s “inappropriate” relationship hadn’t happened at about the same time, Ball would probably still have Champions.
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LEARN FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH MARANATHA


INTRODUCTION:
I crouched down on my knees the phone cradled against my ear, straining the cord and almost pulling it out of the wall. Tears streamed down my face and my stomach felt like someone was kicking me there, hard. And someone was, but not physically. The voice on the other end of the line spoken in a deep baritone with an eastern Kentucky twang. "Tik, I am very very fearful for your eternal salvation and for your soul", he was saying. It was Joe Smith, second in command of Maranatha Ministries and the chief [and proclaimed] "prophet" of the movement. "If you leave the ministry I will tell you that there is almost a 100% chance that you will backslide into sin, but there is an even more serious matter that concerns me." I grunted, and had now fallen almost face down into the shag carpet in my parent's family room. "The Bible", Joe continued with his voice now taking on the tone of Gospel preaching, "says that it is better to have a millstone tied around your neck and to be thrown into the sea than to lead the little ones astray. When you moved into full time ministry you became a leader with greater responsibility. If you leave it could cause members of your congregation and those you are shepherding to lose their faith and their blood will be on your hands! And you will be cut of from the vine and your spiritual family!" "What he said was true- if I left it could cause people to stumble and I would lose the "family of Maranatha" that I had had in for 5 years. I had no other "real" friends outside of Maranatha Ministry, and in fact, they were my only source of income. I knew what happened when people left "God's movement": they were shunned, apostate, dirty, and of Satan. Was my soul in jeopardy? Would I go to hell? But I knew what the movement was (had become, or maybe had always been) wrong, destructive, and dictatorial. Despite its good intentions, at least at the "sheep" level, the leadership was arrogant, vindictive and controlling. If I stayed I would be part of the destruction that was ongoing and part of a movement that preyed on people's fears and used them as long as they performed or conformed. However, if I left "God's Green Berets" I lost everything, my friends, my "family", my work and, possibly- no probably, my mortal soul. I began sobbing uncontrollably. What should I do???- there seemed no way out!

I would like to relay my story as a warning for others who are tempted by the vision and come on of Every Nation (aka Morning Star International, Champions for Christ). To use an analogy, my personal opinion is that Maranatha and Every Nation are various strains of the same virus. I hope, from time to time, to post my musings on my experiences and that these will serve as a warning to others. I also want to educate people who think "it cannot happen to me." Please note that most names have been changed unless they are the well known or public leaders of Maranatha.

Tik Tok
[everynationexposed.blogspot.com]





[ What an introduction! This guy might have missed his calling as a best selling novelist - minus the punctuation nightmare. Several other former members have offered vivid, detailed, revealing memoirs explaining how easy it is to get sucked into Maranatha/EN, the abuse and destruction that follows, the agonizing effort to get out, and the long, difficult road to recovery. But he has far outdone all of them.

Having spent many years in Maranatha, in more than one chapter, I can tell you that no one could describe the inner workings of this group better. I've had more than one encounter with several of the people he discusses, so I can also tell you that you'd be hard pressed for a better profile of any of them. The conversations are obviously not verbatim, but anyone who's been through the "discipleship" process and the "deliverance" process knows that the scenarios are pretty typical.

And in his post memoir at [everynationmsiexposed.blogspot.com] , he preceeds to demostrate that life inside Maranatha and life inside Every Nation are IDENTICAL.

In short, if you want to understand Maranatha/EN and how to respond to it, whether as a potential member, a current member, a former member, a cult watcher, or a journalist, THIS STORY IS MUST READING.

Let's hope we see this bombshell in the bookstore soon. Such a book would take exposure of this group mainstream in a way that newspapers and websites cannot. If he can't find a publisher, former members need to distribute it underground; starting with a copy to every fraternity, sorority, student affairs vice president, and campus editor in the country; followed by assignment editors and investigative reporters; then talk show hosts, etc. Anybody for running ads? College media is cost effective, as is radio. One or another of these ideas should be enough to prime every pump. ]
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The former Maranatha board member from Austin has been on the FactNet.org board for several months. He has carries on at some length about the hardship his family suffered because of what the church did to him. He doesn't use his real name. He goes by flo1151. Here’s what you need to know about Flo:

-- He fibbeth
-- He fibbeth exceedingly

I arrived in Austin several months after he did and left several months before resigned or was fired, whichever the case. I can tell you that all the scenarios Maranatha is notorious for happened in Austin. I can also tell you that he was part of the problem, not part of the solution. Now he’s trying to rewrite history the same way Bob and Rice have.

To begin with, he had a habit of preaching sermons about people. When Dave _____ lost nearly $100,000 in the futures market, after advice from Flo and advice from Pat Robertson, Dick Mills had a word for him during the summer that everyone spent in Gainesville. Something along the lines of “The devil has been stealing from you, but God is going to return it to you two fold.” Well, Dave didn’t cling to that word, or it was faked because Bob knew what happened to Dave. Whatever the explanation, Dave’s faith began to falter. So Flo preached a sermon about him entitled, “It’s time to believe God.” At the end of the sermon, he looked at Dave, who was sitting in the back, and said, “Amen Dave _____ ?” Dave just sat there. So FLo tried again: “Amen?” Dave still refused to respond one way or the other. So Flo looked at the congregation and said, “I guess not.” Debbie _____ , the natural sister of one of the single brothers, moved to Austin and got a job waiting in a restaurant. Tips were almost nonexistent. She finally left. After she was gone, Flo preached a sermon about her. Basically the same one he preached about Dave, and with the same catch phrase: “It’s time to believe God.” He specifically mentioned the name of the restaurant, so everyone who was familiar with Debbie’s situation understood the reference. When my business went under, he preached a sermon about me. At one point in the sermon, he said, “Some of you need to hear this.” Then he glanced at me. When Angie _____ got a crush on Robert _____ , he preached a sermon about her. Angie told me later that the sermon was about her and filled me in on the background. Except in the case of Dave, Flo didn't mention names in his sermons. So unless you had the inside story, you didn’t know what was happening in the pulpit. Only he knows how many other sermons he preached about individuals, but I suspect there were several other cases. When someone went through a rough period or faltered, he would pull away and emphasize that the burden was on them to overcome. I saw this scenario over and over.

It was pretty easy to violate the dating policy if you were one of the pastor’s pets. I was rooming with Robert _____ when he got engaged and I was rooming with Glen _____ when he got engaged. So I can tell you that in both cases, there was plenty of mush before the engagement. By contrast, when he saw me one too many times with Ann _____ after submitting her name, he was quick to rein me in. Willie _____ and his business partner in real estate submitted marriage. Kinda hard to not do things and go places with your business partner. After attending a New York seminar together and after taking one of the church couples to dinner to celebrate buying a house, Flo accused him of crossing the line and told him to shut down the business. Never mind that Willie partner submitted the New York trip to Flo's wife before. Never mind that the dinner was a celebration with a customer, not a date. Never mind that shutting down a real estate business takes 2 months in a best case scenario. Willie’s case is one of the best examples of how callous and treacherous this man could be. Yet in classic irony, he had and still has a habit of accusing others of betraying him.

I compiled a list of people who had served under his ministry, from co-elder to church secretary. In almost every case, they had backslidden, fallen into immorality, dropped out of the ministry, or left on bad terms. Finally, he announced at a members only meeting that a full timer was being excommunicated after secretly practicing lesbianism for a year and a half. There he stood in the pulpit acting as if this was the first time something like this had happened to someone in the ministry on his watch, or as if none of this was a reflection on him.

After we moved out of the campus location, he treated water at best for a few years. Then God started trying to get his attention. First the church finances faltered. Then his migraines returned. Then his wife got sick to the point of death. Then he went on sabbatical. Then Robert _____ , the missionary from Mexico, came up and literally yelled at him for a few months, supposedly jerking the slack out of him. But no sooner than Robert left, he was up to his old tricks again. Then he got distracted with a building program.

By the time I left, he was a joke. He was reading Paul Harvey and Bill Cosby in the pulpit. Meanwhile, he sponsored obscene no-talent contest with silly songs and lewd skits. I look back on that period and think, “Well, at least he didn’t read Dear Abby in the pulpit.”

He didn’t pastor, he dabbled in pastoring. He was easily the laziest member of the board, and one of the most apathetic. I don't mean he never lifted a finger for God or the congregation. I mean he did only what he had to do and only when he had to do it. He got away with this by projecting a laid back style. I remember a lot of barbeques with his favorite members. Later I remember lunches at expensive restaurants with his favorite members, all of whom just happened to be entrepeneurs. I also remember lunches at expensive restaurants with elders. I even remember a tuxedo dinner with the K ____ family, whom he knew from the Memphis church. But I don’t remember much discipleship or evangelism.

After neglecting, abusing, exploiting, and misleading the church so much and for so long; after offending and losing so many sheep and so many staffers; he accuses them of abandoning him. He and his wife we two of the most self centered and ungrateful people I've ever met. He abandoned them long before he left the ministry. And anyone who reads Paul Harvey and Bill Cosby in the pulpit instead of preaching the Word doesn’t deserve 10 days of severance pay, much less 10 months.

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LARRY TOMCZAK AND RICE BROOCKS:

"Larry Tomczak, apostolic leader and author, is celebrating his 35th year in ministry with a transition from Atlanta to Nashville to establish a training center devoted to New Testament evangelism and church-planting fueled by prayer. Co-laboring with him are Rice Broocks – co-founder of Every Nation Ministry, a network of 400 churches in 50 countries on six continents and the senior pastor of Bethel World Outreach Center, a multi-campus church serving six sites in the Nashville area – also Dale Everist, leader of New Song network of churches and associate of Jack Hayford with the Foursquare Church denomination. Other significant leaders will participate in this unique initiative intended to serve the entire Body of Christ by training students then sending them back to their “home base” for their next assignment.

Larry (57) co-founded People of Destiny International in the 80’s, a church-planting movement which today numbers 55 churches that have been planted in America and abroad though now under a different ministry name and leadership. He is the author of six books including the quarter-million best seller Clap Your Hands! along with Divine Appointments and Reckless Abandon as well as a 25 year board member of “Intercessors for America” prayer ministry. During the Pensacola Revival he served as Instructor of Practical Theology in the 1,100 member Brownsville Revival School of Ministry, teaching extensively on church planting.

Married for 30 years to Doris Tomczak, they have served in leadership at Christ the King Church of Atlanta during the past decade, while helping birth three other churches. They have four children: Justin (28) who is Political Director for the Governor of Georgia; Melanie (26) soon departing for Lausanne, Switzerland to lead a Youth With A Mission team; Renee (25) their adopted Korean daughter, currently serving in the Baby Haven orphanage for abandoned AIDS/HIV children in Johannesburg, South Africa; and Jason (24) who is married to Michele (26) and transitioning to assume the primary leadership role at Christ the King church upon his father’s departure.
I.C.E.C.A.P. will be based in Tennessee, the “Volunteer State,” to equip those who “volunteer freely in the day of His power” (Ps 110:2). Its mission is to train workers through experienced instruction, personal mentoring and practical ministry opportunities. Its motto: “It Takes the Whole Church to Reach the Whole World.”

Larry Tomczak began his ministry co-leading a 2,000 attendee young adult meeting in the Nation’s Capitol in the 70’s called T.A.G. (Take and Give) as well as speaking at large “Jesus Festivals” and conferences in the U.S. and abroad. He planted his first
church in the Washington D.C. area (out of his home) thirty years ago where it remains today as a thriving 3,500 member church.

When Larry departed his former ministry he explored three options:
• Respond to an invitation from his friend Mike Bickle to become senior pastor of Metro Church in Kansas City as Mike transitioned to launch his I.H.O.P. (International House of Prayer) initiative.
• Relocate to Pensacola, Florida to minister alongside his friend Dr. Michael Brown and be more fully integrated into the Brownsville Revival.
• Serve on the apostolic team in the Pasadena-based H.I.M. (Harvest International Ministries) with his close friends Che Ahn and Lou Engle in their global network of churches.

Instead he sensed God’s calling to continue investing in people in his Atlanta church family while remaining in a posture of faith regarding God’s will for the future.

In 2005 Larry experienced a traumatic event in the sudden loss of vision in his left eye. Through this unexpected affliction he found himself traveling repeatedly to Nashville for doctors appointments and providentially reconnecting with longtime friend Rice Broocks where, in time, the vision for I.C.E.C.A.P. was born.

The opportunity to co-labor with longtime friends and seasoned leaders, who share a growing passion to prepare a generation in effective evangelism and Biblical church-planting, is truly a “dream come true” for Larry and Doris Tomczak in this season of life. Drawing upon the accumulated insights of a lifetime of experience, the Tomczaks can serve together alongside “fathers and mothers in the faith” to seize the opportunity of demonstrating the unity of the spirit, by working together to leave a legacy in the area of world evangelization.

Jesus told us “the harvest is the end of the age” (Matt 13:31) and “ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore to send out workers into the harvest” (Matt 9:38). I.C.E.C.A.P. ASPIRES TO SERVE ALL CHURCHES, MINISTRIES, NETWORKS AND DENOMINATIONS BY “DELIVERING THE GOODS THROUGH LEADERS WHO’VE DONE IT!” Projected launch date for I.C.E.C.A.P. is Spring of 2007 in the Cool Springs vicinity of the Nashville metropolitan area."

www.ctkatlanta.com/



[ Does this remind anyone of Steve Murrell "providentially reconnecting" with Rice Broocks in 1994? ]

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LATEST OFFICIAL BOB WEINER BIO:


Bob and Rose Weiner (www.youthnow.org)

It is God's grace and strength that has enabled Bob Weiner to touch many lives through the ministries that he has founded and supported.

God moved Bob to found Maranatha Churches and Campus Ministries, now with locations on 150 campuses in 20 nations. During the last 10 years, Bob trained 50,000 youth in Russia for ministry and covered all the training expenses for them. God multiplied this ministry, and today many hundreds of thousands of youth have been saved, established in churches and cell groups by the thousands.

God's heart for China was expressed in Bob's founding of China Harvest, which has placed over 3 million Bibles in China and recruited over 100 American missionaries to Chinese universities to teach English and reach Chinese youth.

In India, Bob was led to hold the largest congress for students in the history of India. The fruit of this effort led to 100,000 applications with 12,400 accepted; 8,000 students were filled with the Holy Spirit; 6,000 came forward to commit for full time ministry after graduation; and support for 60,000 hotel rooms, 300,000 meals and 20,000 Bibles was provided.

During the 1999 Indonesia crisis, God called Bob to provide support for and train 5,000 workers for church planting, to raise 41 new churches and to recruit 100 new missionaries. This work was performed during a time that almost all Western missionaries had left because of riot and turmoil.

Through "Rock America Torch Rallies", held in 2001 in 31 cities, God used Bob to bring revival to the youth of America. He trained 100,000 youth to win 10 souls each in a 400-mile radius around Washington, DC.

During 2004, Bob is responding to God's call to the East and West Coasts of the United States and overseas to Europe, Russia, Asia and neighboring Latin countries.

Obeying God's call to Leadership, Bob serves on the Executive Board or Board of Directors of:

Charismatic Bible Ministries International
Association of International Mission Services (AIMS)
North American Congress on the Holy Spirit and World Evangelism
The Call D.C. (www.livethecall.com)

He serves on the Facilitation Committee for Mission America and is the author of top-selling Bible Studies widely acclaimed by Christians

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BOB WEINER IN BOSTON, the official version:


Boston is the site of much secular and spiritual history. A strategic city that sits on the northeastern Atlantic coast, it was once a spiritual beachhead during The Great Awakening of the 1700's and the revivals of the 1800's, but now is considered one of the least reached cities in the United States. An intellectual fortress and hotbed of liberalism, Boston hosts 45 college campuses and 300,000 college students. We believe it is God's will to bring another Great Awakening to Boston, starting with the multitudes of unreached college students who remind us that "the harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few" (Luke 10:2).

As guests of the Church of Boston, we have submitted this outreach to the counsel of Bishop Gilbert Thompson and Pastor Roberto Miranda.



Pastoral Endorsements:

"The ministry of Bob Weiner is strategic in New England during this time of vision casting and training. Indeed, he is a part of the prophetic word about leader-laborers coming over into our 'Macedonia' to help us. A proven evangelist with an apostolic anointing, Bob’s ministry is welcome as we gather a team in preparation of the harvest God has promised."

-Bishop Gilbert Thompson
"I am excited about Bob Weiner's ministry coming to Boston. He is a God anointed spiritual warrior with a distinguished record in evangelical church planting and training youth as effective witnesses for the gospel. Here in New England we are in desperate need of reinforcements of the type that Bob Weiner's ministry can surely provide."
-Pastor Roberto Miranda
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I was a member of Maranatha Indonesia, and I am glad that I am out of it now. I don't want to have anything to do with it anymore, nor with any other new organizational names: GPMI, GAP, MorningStar, Every Nation, etc.

1. My youth leader 'praised' Bob Weiner for his "cleverness", i.e. each time he came to Indonesia, he would stay at ordinary room. Then he would try to find problems in the room and made complaints. And each time, the hotel manager would feel embarrassed (because he is an American, too), and the hotel would upgrade him to the suite room for the same price.
In my opinion, that is called: CUNNING. Not a godly example.

2. My friend encouraged her buddhist parents to bring along his mentally retarded brother to bob Weiner's "healing service". He prayed for other people, and asked them (rather: forced them) to give testimony of healing. However he knew he was fake. His fraud would be exposed if he tried to pray for the mentally-retarded guy. After finished praying for all the people and "forced" them to give testimony, he just left the poor mentally-retarded guy on the stage and continued his "preaching".

3. Bob Weiner also boasted to our Indonesian pastors that he had meal with Benjamin Netanyahu, and prophesied to him that he would be the next Israel President. WHAT A BOASTER!!!!!

However, after the disintegration, the Indonesian churches were still intact. Our pastors taught about convenant, etc. But then, Rice Broocks came with his Morning Star and tried to gain control again. Afterwards, there was disintegration among the Indonesian pastors about the issue. Even the senior pastors in Jakarta almost ended up in court because of dispute over control of the church building.

WHERE IS THE COVENANT RELATIONSHIP AND CHRIST'S LOVE? Even the long-established friendships among the pastors were gone.

So, my advice is: STAY OUT OF EVERY NATION, MORNING STAR, and ALL OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM MARANATHA.

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"My youth leader 'praised' Bob Weiner for his "cleverness", i.e. each time he came to Indonesia, he would stay at ordinary room. Then he would try to find problems in the room and made complaints. And each time, the hotel manager would feel embarrassed (because he is an American, too), and the hotel would upgrade him to the suite room for the same price. In my opinion, that is called: CUNNING. Not a godly example. "

[ When we held MLTS at Kenbar Inn, I walked past the hotel manager's office, noticed that Bob Weiner and Joe Smith were there, and overheard them haggling over the price of the rooms. Well, when Bob Weiner got on stage later, he told everyone to make a list of things wrong with our room. ]



"Bob Weiner also boasted to our Indonesian pastors that he had meal with Benjamin Netanyahu, and prophesied to him that he would be the next Israel President. WHAT A BOASTER!!!!!"

[ Kenneth Copeland looked down at Rios Montt during an Maranatha conference and said, "Una mas. Once more you will be president." Historical note: He has tried more than once since that prophesy. The supreme court barred him from running because of the war crimes charges against him, so he started his own party and ran a puppet candidate. ]



"However, after the disintegration, the Indonesian churches were still intact. Our pastors taught about convenant, etc. But then, Rice Broocks came with his Morning Star and tried to gain control again. Afterwards, there was disintegration among the Indonesian pastors about the issue. Even the senior pastors in Jakarta almost ended up in court because of dispute over control of the church building."

[ Standard operating procedure for these people. ]



"WHERE IS THE COVENANT RELATIONSHIP AND CHRIST'S LOVE?"

[ Doesn't apply to these people. They opted out a long time ago. They're the wolves and false prophets Jesus and Paul warned us about. ]



The Indonesia website had major historical revisionism about Bob Weiner several years ago. This is the first time someone from the Indonesia church has come forward with the inside story. Bring it on!


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"enabled Bob Weiner to touch many lives"

"now with locations on 150 campuses in 20 nations."

"During the last 10 years, Bob trained 50,000 youth in Russia"

"many hundreds of thousands of youth have been saved, established in churches and cell groups by the thousands."

"placed over 3 million Bibles in China and recruited over 100 American missionaries"

"hold the largest congress for students in the history of India. The fruit of this effort led to 100,000 applications with 12,400 accepted; 8,000 students were filled with the Holy Spirit; 6,000 came forward to commit for full time ministry after graduation; and support for 60,000 hotel rooms, 300,000 meals and 20,000 Bibles was provided."

"provide support for and train 5,000 workers for church planting, to raise 41 new churches and to recruit 100 new missionaries."

"held in 2001 in 31 cities"

"He trained 100,000 youth to win 10 souls each in a 400-mile radius"


[ Why does Bob Weiner's website have so many numbers? After 30 years, he still has a severe case of exaggerated self importance, accompanied by a major case of evangelastically speaking, and is still putting a prophetic / historical spin on everything he does.

Note: I met a man in China who manages the largest Bible publishing company in the country. He has published 30 million Bibles. Very few people outside his local church know this. You'll hear him mention that figure in passing over a meal. He doesn't have a website. ]

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