husband in mankind project...cult?
Date: October 28, 2006 12:45AM
Dalmation, you stated <<“Many Women don't want there husbands to be "independent thinkers" They want to "rule the roost" and want there husbands to be submissive to there way of thinking and doing things "its my way or the highway" so to speak”>> I am sure you see this all the time, it is common in MKP. Of course you and MKPers think that it is the fault of the woman since that is what MKP teaches. MKP is more important than the person you made a commitment to. MKP should hold all your secrets, all your thoughts, emotions, wants, needs, but your wife should be given nothing of yourself of importance.
MKP teaches men to tell their wives “it’s my way or the highway”. If you think that a woman having her own ideas is this kind of thinking, I am sad for you, as you will never have a truly fulfilling relationship with a woman with this kind of thinking.
What women want is a husband that respects her thoughts, ideas, opinions, humor etc, and a man that will share his innermost self with her just as she will with him, just as in general a man wants the same from a woman. (unless he’s an MKPer) Someone to SHARE your life with, not just live in the same household and “pass each other by” or get physically close when the man wants to have sex. What I have found with MKP is that women are “bashed” and men are “created” to think that all women are “bad, evil, horrendous” little people who do nothing but steal men’s balls. Is this correct thinking on your part? That women are “bad” for men?
A marriage should be a partnership, not one controlling the other, decisions should be made with both parties agreeing. Not one person controlling their lives. MKP tried to tell my husband that promises made to me, my thoughts, my ideas were worth nothing. If you read my posting on the other thread you will see what I went through with my husband.
And you are welcome to call me a liar, I lived and am living the life of the wife of a man who went to NWTA, I have read all the manuals, spoken to many people. I know what I am dealing with. MKP is as LGAT cult type group who uses shame/guilt brain altering techniques on unsuspecting men. I feel sorry for these men. As yes, they are having their “balls” taken away from them, but not by their wives, but by MKP.
Yes, I said it, MKP is stealing the “balls” of men and making them think it is their wives doing so.
What I see is MKP creating confusion in men, and this is harming their wives. My husband as well thought that he had been “submissive” to me. When reality was that, sometimes in some situations I was submissive to him, and sometimes in some situations he was submissive to me, give and take, he is better at some things than I am, I am better at some things than he is. So, he felt he was being submissive, when in reality, we were being PARTNERS, working with each other, taking from each other the strengths we had, and working together to create a good life. IT IS CALLED, SHARING A PARTNERSHIP WITH TWO PEOPLE. IT IS CALLED WORKING TOGETHER AND USING EACH OTHERS STRENGTHS TO CREATE A BETTER LIFE FOR BOTH PEOPLE.
Men view themselves as being “submissive” as that is what the MKP LGAT techniques tell them they have been. Men become “submissive” to the techniques of MKP and then believe what MKP tells them. Men learn to truly not think for themselves but to have MKP think for them.
It does not “scare” me to see my husband truly empowered. It actually excites me to see my husband empowered. MKP does not empower men in the true sense of the word. MKP emasculates men, makes them distrust themselves so that they have to continually “check in” with MKP instead of trusting their own gut instincts.
And yes, many women end up going to “woman within”, my husband tried to get me to go, because now, after 20+ years, suddenly the ONLY way I could love and understand him, was to go to “woman within”. How stupid. I love my husband and understand him better than anyone in this world and an LGAT cult will not create better understanding or true love for him on my part.
As well, you do not have to “enlighten” those of us who have done our research, we have already been “enlightened”, and that did not take place by “brain altering” techniques. Our “enlightenment” has taken place by true education, not brainwashing.
And you are correct in that MKP is “not for everyone”. It is really not for anyone, but, sadly, men get “tricked” into believing differently.
Here is a couple things for you to think about. When reading your comments to others, these thoughts occurred to me that these fit your attitude.
It is common for these groups to make statements such as "they are not ready, they are evil, etc when people disgree with the group". It is a common theme to blame "outsiders".
If a group teaches you that your relationships with your family and friends are somehow toxic, evil, or even just impeding your development, it immediately cuts you off. You don't notice that right away, because the group is right there to replace them. We are all dependent, albeit to varying degrees, on feedback to evaluate our beliefs and behavior -- controlling that feedback is an incredibly powerful technique to change behavior, particularly when the recruit is unaware that it is happening.
ABUSE OF INTIMACY Relationships with friends, relatives, spouses, children, parents etc are broken or seriously hampered.
PERSONALITY CHANGES Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person. From a warm, loving personality will come heaped abuse, rejection and feelings of hate. The member sees himself as "righteous" in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.
PARANOID - WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as “persecution". Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the "enlightened" one - not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time they will feel free to criticize whatever you believe, say and do because they are "the only ones who are right".