See [www.culteducation.com]

This explains the problems with LGATs or mass marathon training.

Also see [perso.orange.fr]

The group you mention is listed as an LGAT.

One of my friends went through the leadership program in M3's Dallas location. He tried convincing me on numerous occasions that his outlook on life all had to do w/ "the training....it's the training"...whatever the hell that means. Seems like no one can actually explain that phrase...when questioned it's left in vague terms open for much interpretation. My question was why pay for something that's such good advice that everyone should know....personally I couldn't see why paying so much for something like this would help me in any regards. I brought up the question..was it the training...or was it you that changed youself. He had to admit defeat on that. All in all...I'm really curious about this group now...my friend seems so robotic/lifeless. it's like....he has no personality unless he's group oriented...or accepted by a group. Is there any where I can go to find more on this group specifically?

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...my friend seems so robotic/lifeless. it's like....he has no personality unless he's group oriented...or accepted by a group. Is there any where I can go to find more on this group specifically?

It sounds like your friend has been subjected to covert persuasion. I don't know about any other place to get info about this group in particular, but these groups operate in an amazingly similar fashion. I encourage you to read around the board about any of the groups.

anyone from M3 still checking this?...how are all of you doing?

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Feature Article: Can an LGAT Change? by Chris Mathe

Articles
Intruding Into the Workplace by Dr. Margaret Singer
The Siren Call of Modern Pied Pipers from Wellspring
Large Group Awareness Trainings by Michael Langone PhD
Waking Up: EST and Lifespring
Coercive Persuasion by Richard Ofshe
The Top Ten List for Transformational Types by Thomas Leonard
Spiritual Responsibility: Avoiding Abuses and Pitfalls Along the Path by Steven Hassan with the Lama Surya Das
The Battle For Your Mind by Dick Sutphin
Thought Reform Programs and the Production of Psychiatric Casualties by Singer/Ofshe
Mass Marathon Trainings by Philip Cushman
The Power of Words by Harriet Rubin
Report of the APA Task Force... American Psychological Association
Skeptic's Dictionary: LGATs

History
How it all got started
Mind Dynamics - Alexander Everett (Updated 9/28/98)
A Posting by William O. West
A Door to Door Mind Salesman - by Stephen Pressman


Leadership Dynamics - William Penn Patrick
The Pit - A Group Encounter Defiled
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,
Brainwash - A movie based on The Pit

est / The Forum


est - Erhard Seminars Training
Enlightenment in Two Weekends by Stephen Pressman
Est and Responsibility by Irvin D. Yalom
We're Going to Tear You Down and Put you Back Together by Mark Brewer
Skeptic's Dictionary: Werner Erhard and est
The Forum - Landmark Education Corporation
Landmark Education Home Page
Landmark Profile
Landmark Forum Rants and Raves
Winner of Point's Top 5% Best of the Web Award!

Landmark: Just a Bowl of Cherries
The Best of Est? Time Magazine article
The Process and Ecology of The Forum, by Charles Denison
An Introduction to The Forum
The Structure: First Sights of The Forum
The Forum Begins: The Curriculum and the Pedagogy
The Curriculum of The Forum
The Pedagogy of The Forum
My Forum Story by Kirk
My Experience with The Forum by soodo
Landmark Education - A participant's perspective, by Bob Black
There's no Meeting of the Minds, by Steve Jackson
Think About It by Gil Steiner
The est of Friends by Tracy Hukill
Do You Believe in Miracles? - Elle Magazine
The Con-Forumists by Jana Martin
Being There by Fred Wistow
Guy's Diner Open 24 Hours
Skydiving with your Sanity
Skeptic's Dictionary: Landmark Forum
Bob Glickstein: The Forum
Drive-Thru Deliverance by Amanda Scioscia
Pay Money, Be Happy by Vanessa Grigoriadis
Master of Fate by Anupama Bhattacharya
Mindbreakers London Daily Mail 7/23/01

Lifespring
Lifespring
Lifespring Incorporated Home Page
Lifespring Profile
Jon Ruth's Lifespring Page
Training Description, by Philip Cushman
Intro
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
Day 5
Post-Training
I lost My Husband to a Cult by Ann McAndrews
White Collar Cults, They Want Your Mind... by Dirk Mathison
Pathology as Personal Growth- a Participant-Observation Study of Lifespring Training by Janice Haaken

Lifespring Spinoffs
Momentus - Daniel Tocchini (Lifespring)
Momentus Explained
Momentus Training - New Age Deception by Bill Barton
Insight Seminars - Russell Bishop (Lifespring)
MSIA homepage

Resource Realizations - David Gilcrease (Lifespring)
Breaking the Vow of Secrecy by Karen Lile
My Experience of Livermore Discovery Seminar by Kendall Ross Bean
Intrepidnet Reporters
Desperate Measures Rocky Mountain News
VisionWorks -Bruce Solomon (Lifespring)

Impact Trainings - Founder: Hans Berger/John Webb (Lifespring)
Concerns for LDS members
Self-Awareness Groups Have LDS Church Wary - Salt Lake Tribune
Critics Say Be Wary of Self-Help Groups - Salt Lake Tribune
Harmony Institute - Bernell Christensen (Impact)
Spectrum Trainings - Founder: ? (Harmony/Impact)

Phoenix 2000 - Jaimes McNeal, Founder: Mike McKeon/Martha Borst (Lifespring)
Flocking to Phoenix by Linda Tucci
LGATs and Speedos A P2K Experience
Vistar/Serendipity - Founder: Ray Blanchard/Betty Spruill (Lifespring)
Vistar Nevada
A Vistar Experience
Cult Status by Kirsten Marcum
Letters to the Editor
LifeDesign Education

Asia Works - Founder: Jim Cook (Lifespring)
Asiaworks: LGAT Comes to Asia
"In my opinion Asiaworks is an evil 'cult-like' group"
Looking for a New Path
Yuppies happy to pay for vision of new life by Ruth Mathewson
Argentina Works
Chile Works - Founder: Gabriel Nosevich (Lifespring)
WorldWorks - Formerly Lifespring DC - Lisa Kalman/Gabriel Nossovitch
Summit Education
Personal Dynamics
Choicenter
Millenium 3

The Legacy Center - Formerly Lifespring North Carolina
FACTNET Discussion
Essential Education - Formerly Lifespring Florida
Rising Star Communications
Humanus Institute - Formerly Lifespring Chicago
Head Shrinker by Ben Winters
Wings Seminars
Wings: Making Life Meaningful by David Faux




Other Groups
New Warriors Training
New Warriors Training Homepage
Just Another Therapy Cult
Shadow of Initiation by Dale Roads
Beyond Conformity and Group Think by Andre B. Heuer
Other Transformational Encounter Groups
PSI World Seminars - Founder: Thomas Wilhite (Mind Dynamics)
Context Associated - Founder: Randy Revell (Lifespring/Mind Dynamics)
Life Training - Founder: Roy Whitten/Brad Brown (est)
Lifestream - Founder: Jim Quinn (Mind Dynamics)
Pathways/Temenos - Founder: Carole Kammen/Jodi Gold (Actualizations)
The Art Works - Founder: ?
Personal Mastery - Founder: Brian Klemmer (PSI World)
Summit Workshops - Founder: Paul Larsen
Future Coaching/I Am Workshops - Founder: Pat Grove (est/Forum)
Pathways Educational Corp. - Founder: Dr. Phil McGraw
The Experience - Founder: ? (est/Forum)
Global Relationship Centers
Human Awareness Institute
Lifeskills Curriculum/Access I Education Founder: Jeanne Sterner - Mainly an LGAT with some Avatar material
Sportsmind
The Option Institute
The Conversation Founder: Arnold Siegel (est/Forum)
Declaration of Christopher Laehy
The Kiln/August Institute
Sterling Institute
ISA Experience
ASSET Founder: Larry Jensen



The Fictional LGAT Section - A stone's throw from the truth
The Program - A Basic Course outline
The Program - An Advanced Course outline
The Jesus Program outline
The Seagull Program
The Success Program

The LGAT Basic Experience
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
The Guest Night
The LGAT Advanced Experience
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4




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Other Programs
The Avatar(tm) Course Founder: Harry Palmer (Scientology)

Star's Edge Inc Home Page
Netherlands site about Avatar and Palmer
Harry Palmer and Scientology
alt.clearing.avatar
Hoffman Quadrinity Process Founder: Bob Hoffman
Also involved is Charles (Raz) Ingrasci (est/Lifespring)

Hoffman Quadrinity Process

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Background and Perspective
Psychological Self Helpby Clayton Tucker-Ladd. Two thumbs up Check out Chapter 15
Return to Spirit - Barbara Stone- Interesting site by a transpersonal psychologist
Help Me-- I'm Tired of Feeling Bad by Paul Vereshack, ...an excellent explanation of regressive/depth psychotherapy
Articles on Rebirthing, a breath technique for releasing suppressed emotions
Self Clearing: A Handbook for Self Enlightenment, by The Pilot
Quantum Psychology Page
The Primal Psychotherapy Page
The Selfheal Page



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I know what I know if you know what I mean
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I know what I know if you know what I mean
choke me in the shallow water
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What I am is what I am are you what you are or what?

I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know if you know what I mean
philosophy is a walk on slippery rocks
religion is a light in the fog

I'm not aware of too many things
I know what I know if you know what I mean
choke me in the shallow water
before I get to deep
What I am is what I am are you what you are or what?

Don't let me get too deep

I understand not liking it when someone changes but isn't all free will? I look at the prices of these LGAT's. If someone spends $1000 there and also leaves you for someone else or spends $1000 on vacation and leaves you for someone else, is Princes Cruiselines a cult too? Is it mind control sci-fi or just life the world over?

Obviously either you are caught in the web of mind fuck from one of these LGATS or haven't bothered to check out the plethora of information available (not just talking about blogs)...or both..and i'll asume both, otherwise why would you even be on here?...and none of it is good...none...of...it...try the 60 Minutes interview where you can learn that the founder/leader of these, who wrote/taught the programs on how to have 'better relationships' and how to have 'control of your life, get what you wantout of 'not only beat the hell out of his wife and kids but raped his 12 year old daughter (or in his words 'gave her a beautiful experience)...guess he got what he wanted alright, excuse me while I puke...and, btw is , as are all of the people at the top, making tens of millions and letting those sucked in make it all for them...as well as drain ther bank accounts...why do you think they remain underground in the shadows and depend on the recruits to recruit?...don't see them doing adds on TV...or anywhere...anytime anything gets decades of this much controversy/bad press/been investigated and sued over and over?....if it smells like a rotten fish are you gonna eat it??

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I understand not liking it when someone changes but isn't all free will? I look at the prices of these LGAT's. If someone spends $1000 there and also leaves you for someone else or spends $1000 on vacation and leaves you for someone else, is Princes Cruiselines a cult too? Is it mind control sci-fi or just life the world over?

Its free will until it is captured, then its at the mercy of which ever guru takes control of the free will.

There's a huge difference between infidelity and mind control. One obvious difference between the two is in the case of infidelity, there's usually just one other person involved, but in the case of mind control there's a whole mob of people involved, and that mob won't first kiss a person before they screw them, unless they have to to get them into their lair.

You can pay $1000.00 to go on a vacation and find someone to leave your spouse for, or you can pay $1000.00 to give control of your mind over to an LGAT, which will then identify someone for you to leave your spouse for. With the vacation lover, you're likely going to look for qualities that are motivated mostly by lust and superficiality, with the LGAT lover you're looking for drone qualities such as level of indoctrination into the LGAT, how extreme the fantasies of grandiosity go, or perhaps infatuation is manipulated to interpret transformation, in which case it only makes sense to label the infatuation, 'soulmate'. Big differences between vacation cheating and LGAT cheating.

Another difference between 'Princes Cruise Lines' and cults; a cheating situation like you're describing obviously involves a vacation, but the kind of cults discussed here don't believe in vacations for their drones..in fact they'd work them to death (on a volunteer basis) if they could get away with it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2007 05:31AM by ON2 LF.

They'll just keep changing names. Oldest con-job in the book.

Rotten fish isn't rotten fish if the can has a shiny new label that says "FRESH albacore tuna!"

Well, not for long, anyway.

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I understand not liking it when someone changes but isn't all free will? I look at the prices of these LGAT's. If someone spends $1000 there and also leaves you for someone else or spends $1000 on vacation and leaves you for someone else, is Princes Cruiselines a cult too? Is it mind control sci-fi or just life the world over?

It's not free will and it's not sci-fi either. Once you enter into an LGAT you can forget free will. You may think you have free will, but you don't, plain and simple. The minute you sign up the mind control starts. If you sign up because your friend asked you too, your friend will start babbling the B.S. about what a great decision you've made, how much you're going to benefit etc. etc. etc. i.e. "love bombing you". The second you step across the threshold and enter their building or location you get hit with the serious mindcontrol stuff. Your then hearded about like cattle in feed lot. While your all pinned up in the room you'll be listening to crap that is straight up brainwashing techniques all the while being broken down gradually from a physical stand point. Till on the last day your physically exhausted and your mind is mush.

On Princess Cruiselines you don't have to participate if you don't want to, you could stay in your room and sleep the whole time. With Landmark or an LGAT, you don't have that choice, pure and simple.