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11. Being invited to criticize Katie and The School, and those who did were silently, subtly shunned by the group and Katie.
Shunned? Not me, and I'm no sychophant. I speak my mind. There was no "penalty" for doing so. In fact, I noticed that peoples' suggestions were implemented, more often than not.
What about attendees who aren't so secure within themselves? Byron Katie's organization sure seems to target vulnerable, suffering people.
That post by helpme2times is a very important post, maybe the most important.
Who made that post at the Guruphiliac? One could speculate its one of two names who post on that blog soft-peddling BK.
Notice the responses? Me Me Me.
People who rise to the top of these cultish groups, are often strong-willed, and that is why they are CHOSEN, yes groomed and chosen by the Leader like Byron Katie, and then assigned to various tasks, Overt and Covert...internet, IT, marketing, PR, media, etc.
Byron Katie 100% TARGETS people who are not only vulnerable, but desperate, depressed, and in dire-straights. That is her market.
Notice how that BK person does not show ANY emapthy for more vulnerable people, who are too-trusting, maybe "too nice" as they say, and "too loving" and eager for approval?
How about some folks who are love-starved? They are seduced by a Love-Bomb.
How about those who are mentally ill? We see in the article about Rochelle Laudenslager, Byron Katies ideas on that.
So there are 2 main types of people in these groups.
There are the people who get used, exploited, etc. We all feel for them, some of them are the nicest people on earth...TOO NICE, they get used and abused, and never say a peep, and blame themselves.
Then there are the people who rise to the top of the group. These folks are often narcissists as well. Me Me Me Me. Its all about them. These groups like BK always have some folks near the top, who make some money, and who are the Recruiters and facilitators, like the Landmark Forum Leaders.
But of course, they are also subservient to the Leader, subject to ejection at any moment. But she has to have some Generals to manage the troops.
They move from victim to victimizer, sometimes these people become far more bizarre and cruel than the Guru. They can become the hatchet-women, even if they have silver-tongues.
(This gets a bit intense, maybe you guys can help me think this through?)
Why would a senior facilitator of The Work write a highly manipulative piece to define Love called "WHAT IS LOVE?" about Valentines day, that starts off sweet and sounding "normal", and then hypnotically builds into The Work, and then into the horrendous destructive belief and thought..
"Love is a murderer. If Love wanted to call me home, to consume me, wouldn't it come fiercely, an irresistible force that completely unravels me? Bring it on."
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I hope people can see the process. Start in regular conversation, slide into The Work, and then move into The Work core beliefs. "Love Is A Murderer", is a core belief, one of the most terrible one could ever conceive. It might be close to one of the most destructive core beliefs one could ever think of.
Core beliefs are engineered into people in Thought Reform. Its all about CHANGING PEOPLES CORE BELIEFS.
Does Byron Katie promote and preach that destructive core belief to her people?
Who are they in love with, who does not return their love and uses, hurts and abuses them?
This is meant to draw in vulnerable people with normal talk into The Work, and then core belief modification. NLP, hypnosis, thought reform is all about installing new core beliefs.
In cognitive therapy, you try to make your core beliefs HEALTHY, and sane, and balanced.
Why in all sanity, or insanity, would they want to install the belief...LOVE IS A MURDERER?
Just spend 10 minutes if you REALLY DEEPLY believed that "Love is a Murderer - Bring it on". How might you live your life?
In the BK system, what is "Love"? Who is "Love? Byron Katie, right? Her alleged "soul".
In general, pantheists and others say...God is love...love is God...so is God a murderer? That is what is being said to and by the Unconscious, and conscious mind!
This is not hype, its really very disturbing. Love is not a murderer. What is love? Its many things, ask the poets. But Love is about bonding, empathy, kindness, trust etc. Love is not a murderer. Love can hurt, but its not a murderer.
Love can be a murderer for some, read the newspapers.
I don't want to single her out, but WHY would someone put that out there to be read, in that manipulative format? Recruitment of the lonely and severely depressed? Unconcious call for help? Decompensation? Its much more then being lonely on Valentines day...
Can anyone help me with this one?
According to cognitive psychology, a destructive core belief like that woud lead to severe depressions, hopelessness, rage, and possibly much worse.
Core beliefs are not just words, core beliefs are the foundation and core of the human psyche. There is massive evidence for that.
I think this might be the core destructive belief of the entire Byron Katie system. Its an engineered mantra with embedded core beliefs.
"Love is a murderer. If Love wanted to call me home, to consume me, wouldn't it come fiercely, an irresistible force that completely unravels me? Bring it on."
Who is the "Love" in the BK system?
Where is "home"?
Who is the irresistable force that completely UNRAVELS you?
Bring it on? you mean, let this destructive force take you over and fiercely consume you?
That actually sounds exactly like someone we are getting to know quite well.
This is some of the most destructive core belief expression, engineering, hypnosis I have personally seen expressed.
I feel its appropriate to analyze it, as its NOT a private "Dear diary" therapy entry, its constructed to lure and indoctrinate vulnerable lonely people around Valentines day.
Maybe some wounded souls are in so deep its the only way they know how to live in this world?
Or maybe they know exactly what they are doing and are in it for their own self-interests?
Or all of the above? Total indocrination, vulnerability, and self-interest?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2008 08:28AM by The Anticult.