I actually developed a urinary tract infection because there were so few bathroom breaks. It pains me to think that I got sucked in. I was actually quite terrified of getting in trouble, which is exactly how I had lived my life to that point. And this was a huge reason why I fell for it.

Basic was startling, but Advanced was a bus ride through hell and damnation. I have been reading this forum for a few years but only now, 8 years later, am I willing to "break my contract" and talk about it. I was afraid to. Which shows how deep the scars are.

wow. Forgot what human cockroaches these LGAT people are.

hey don't beat yourself up.

If these LGATs weren't so effective at mind control they wouldn't make so much money and be so popular.

Basically you did survive the LGAT and ultimately came to full awareness. Not everyone does that. You're only a human being. It does take a while to recover.

My story written in other parts of this forum was equally painful.

Fact: I "graduated" (joke) all the way up to the highest level. This is where you're suppose to wear suits and do all kinds of money making scamming to bring new meat to the LGAT. I went in chewing gum. Some Nazi chick who was one of their guard dogs said "spit the gum out" I snapped so to speak and said fk it. Walked out. Next day we were suppose to show up for some stupid military event. Went surfing. Literally. I went surfing. They kicked me out.

Then they turned the fire hose of mental games and nasty tricks against me. Turned my gf against me. Her ex bf who was also in this sick tribe against me. He did 1000's in felony vandalism damage against me. They spied on me. I had to sue the ex gf for money she took from me to pay for this garbage. I had to get the police involved with the ex bf and get a restraining order. I went into the office of the woman who ran this MITT in LA and called her out. She threw me out of her office. She was a pig.

I fought these guys with whatever I had.

I also went to a cult de-programming therapist to understand myself and what was happening.

I read books on LGATs and cults. Got involved in this web site which is a life saver.

Ultimately I realized I was looking for this LGAT to fill a need in me missing from my parents. Once I realized that, everything made sense. I was a stronger person. You'll be a stronger person now you realize what happened and keep revealing more to yourself.

These LGATs are really good at siphoning money out of people who want to believe and are easily intimidated by social manipulation. The more black and white your world the better for them.

As a child I was put through assertiveness training and it saved my life. Because I was able to stand up to these LGAT leaders. But at the time I had low self esteem. I was trying to win the love of some crazy girl who was addicted to this training. My need to prove something to her and not able to love myself lead to insane actions. But ultimately their training snapped. And I was free. When that idiot scolded me for chewing gum. I said fk u. You no longer have control over me.

There is a lot of embarrassment over being "played". I totally relate. You don't know how many times in the last 13 years I've said "why the fk did I ever get involved with these people, that gf, that situation?" Just look at it as a psychological car accident. A severe car accident. The car was totaled. You were hospitalized. For a long time. You had some severe damage to your body. You were in a cast. Bandages. You had to learn to walk slowly and do things to recover. This is a head on collision that you're recovering from and it will take time to recover fully. Give yourself time to recover. Get away from these people, people who are connected to these people, that part of town as much as possible. Don't re-injure yourself by blaming yourself. You've already been psychologically injured. Walk away from the accident and start to recover. You'll be stronger for it. :)

They tried to get me to attend "Sex and Sensuality"; thank heavens I didn't! Afterwards, one of the staff told me about some of the things that were shared by participants (many of whom I knew from other courses.) Basically, it was gossip, after everyone involved had promised to keep things completely confidential. I couldn't look some of these people in the face ever again. I really don't need to know who has had sex with their dog.

I was also told that during an Advanced course years before I took it, a woman complained that she had never masturbated. So the leader obligingly turned the lights down low and the music up, and invited the woman to do just that on the floor of the hotel ballroom. If I had known THAT, I would have NEVER participated in any of this nonsense. In fairness, the staff was furious about it.

I wish I had seen this forum before I attended the training, but I did get a lot out of the experience (but not what I expected.) I learned that I am a "pleaser" and have been my whole life. I learned that I easily subscribe to crowd mentality. I learned to rely on myself and to only associate with people who make me feel good about myself rather than bad about myself. I learned that my own moral core is not up for debate or discussion. And I learned to follow my instincts.

Like you, I feel totally free. It's wonderful. I guess I had to hit bottom first.

wow. That was sick. Open masturbation in LGAT training. Has to be a good lawyer out there willing to take these scumbags on.

If I were a lawyer I would do it free.

Glad you're out of there!

I wanted to add Kavin Chambers to the list of cockroaches at x-bility.com along with Jo Rossi in St. Louis. Evidently they are still in business trying to dupe people out of their money with their sick mind games and cult like setting. If anybody is reading this and thinking about joining them, RUN. Definitely don't go back for the free level 1 course. That is how they suck you back in. Thanks.

Let me first begin by saying that I took X-Bility in St. Louis a few years back, and I "graduated" from all three levels. The "trainer"/"CEO" was, and still is, Jo, and she "leads" it with her boyfriend Kavin. I will attempt to describe Jo and Kavin, and then I will share my experiences.

First, Jo is actually an extremely sad and pathetic person. Her father was an abusive alcolohic. If someone in X-Bility has or still does struggle with an alcohol addiction, then she will immediately hate him or her as a person. She claims to have a vast understanding of psychology, yet she does not have any type of college degree in psychology or a college degree period. She is an extremely passive aggressive person. She will tell you that it's okay to question everything that she says, but the second that you question her she will immediately begin to yell at you and belittle you. I have had her direct the "f" word at me numerous times for questioning her. She has screamed in my face and had others turn against me. Because she didn't like me, she tried to have her best friend to talk my wife, then fiancé, into calling off our wedding and leaving me. The funny thing is that she told her friend all of these things about me that were supposed to be kept in "confidentiality" in the classroom. She and Kavin consistently broke confidentiality, but if someone in the group broke confidentiality, then Jo would rain down fire and brimstone on that person. Needless to say, she is extremely unprofessional and emotionally abusive. During the final weekend we were supposed to give acknowledgements to everyone in the group. Because she hated me, she tore me apart with insults in front of the group. She and Kavin both believe in the universe, and thank the universe when good things happen. Jo is a false prophet, meaning that she has a form of godliness but denies its power. She runs a Ponzi scheme by taking money from innocent people through the money game, which I will touch on later. She is truly a wicked and evil person. I'm sure there are many things about her that I have forgotten over the years, but I recommend staying as far from her as possible.

Kavin appears to be a nice guy on the surface, but deep down he is just as malicious as Jo. Kavin will act like he's your best friend, but the minute you question one thing he says he will yell at you and belittle you. When I didn't agree with the money game and asked him where the money goes he started yelling at me and telling me that "I want to know how he runs the business" and that "I'm stuck in my own "s" and don't want to get out of it". I find it ironic that he and Jo steal money from innocent people, yet they accuse everyone else of being in their own "s". Kavin cussed me out on this same occasion. Another time he thought that my wife broke confidentiality, and he called her and screamed at her, and then he expected me to be okay with it. He and Jo are both full of double standards. They are two of the most manipulative people I have ever met. Also, if you are a Christian and/or a Republican they will hate you. They will try to change your Christian beliefs, and they are diehard liberals. I don't have enough words to describe how evil they truly are. Please take my advice and stay as far away from these people as you can.

Now that me describe my experience in the courses themselves.

My experience in the first course, which is the one described by SeekingTruth, is about 95 percent similar to SeekingTruth's experience.

The second course is a whole new ballgame. It is very scary. When you check in they give you one minute to get in your seat and not talk. If you're not in your seat after one minute, Jo yells at you. This is all a tactic for her to get you to be submissive. The first night after everyone is seated they make you sit in silence until someone is finally brave enough to talk. Everyone in my group was too scared to talk because they didn't want to get screamed at from Jo. After 45 minutes someone finally spoke up. The point of this was to try to find "your voice". After that we played a game called lifeboat. Each person had four popsicle sticks that represented lifeboats, and you had to give one to each person you wanted to save. If you didn't give one to yourself, then they asked you why you didn't value your life, which was the whole point of the game. This was another manipulative technique to try to convince people that they don't value their own lives, when they actually do. Another game we played was called mom-dad. They literally had us get on our knees and beat a pillow and pretend that we were trying to get our parents to hear us. They also forced the men to shave our faces. Then the men had to stand in front of everyone in nothing but gym shorts, and the women had to stand in front of everyone in gym shorts and a sports bra only. Each person had to do this individually. I don't know what the point of this was, but it was extremely inappropriate. After several other games, it was time to get our words. Each member of the staff would always tell us who they were. For example, someone might say, "My name is Bob, and I am a worthy, honest, loving, passionate man." Worthy, honest, loving, and passionate were examples of Bob's words. Anyway, Jo made it sound like this would be the most amazing experience of our lives since day one in the first course, which again is another marketing strategy for them to get people to come back and take another course. The "experience" was a joke. Jo had a staff member stand in front of me and continuously ask me over and over again "Who are you?" until I finally came up with my words. That's it. There was zero self-discovery in this process. When we all finally came up with our words Jo and Kavin told us that those words are who the universe created us to be. Really? That's how you discover who you are? It's a joke. There was a transgender in our group with AIDS, and one of his words was "pure". Now how does that work? The next day they assigned each person a song to sing and an act to perform in front of all of the past X-Bility groups. We didn't know that the past groups were going to be there. It was extremely embarrassing, and many of us felt like fools. The last day of the course we had to do a service project. There were other pointless, manipulative, and submissive exercises we did in there, but these were the main ones. At the end of the course they offered to let us do third (last) course for a discount if we signed up that same night. Again, they were trying to get people to spend money on an emotional whim. Being as naive as I was I signed up for it.

The third course was the biggest scam of all three courses. We met on three separate weekends. The first weekend we all met and were "invited" to stand up in front of the classroom to share how we were feeling. Then we played a dumb game to get our partners assigned to us. I got stuck with a moron. I don't remember much of that weekend except that it was a "feel good" weekend that was designed to get us to come back for the second weekend. We also got assigned mentors that we had to call daily. The second weekend was the money game weekend. Basically, they wanted to teach us how to act with our money. After a pointless game, everyone was forced to raise $1,000 by the next day by performing valuable services, such as painting or other chores. This was supposed to help us see that we're valuable. It turned out that we are valuable to X-Bility because they got to keep each person's $1,000! Oh, and by the way, I had to raise $2,000 by myself because my partner didn't want to play the game. Before my group played the money game, the other groups only had to give away $500, but because the "business" is going broke Jo and Kavin doubled the amount of money to be raised. Anyway, Jo went around and asked everyone if she could have their $1,000, and everyone agreed to give it to her except for me. She repeatedly asked me if she could have it, and I denied her. She pretended to be okay with this, and then we took a break for the torch passing, which is when the previous group "passes the torch" to the current group (just more "feel good" garbage) After the torch passing, we sat back down, and Jo had Kavin ask me if he could have my money. I just threw it at him and said, "Whatever. Take it." What a snake! The funny thing about the money game is that Jo will only accept cash. The obvious reason for this is because she doesn't want to have to pay taxes on the money she stole. I spoke with someone who financially advised Jo, and she confirmed that Jo consistently performs the act of tax evasion. The money game is another form of manipulation and submission. They tell you how valuable you are and encourage you to raise the money, but when you raise the money they force you to give it to them or you will be thrown out of the group for not "playing the game". By this point, you're so deep in X-Bility that Jo and Kavin have people believing that getting thrown out is the worst thing in the world. Therefore, you feel forced to submit. It's sick and appalling. Between the second and third weekend was when Kavin and I had my argument. He gave me an ultimatum and told me I was in or out, so I picked the latter. However it was temporary because my group members and mentor convinced me to come back. I threatened to report them for tax evasion, and thst really made them mad. For the third weekend my group members and I all met at a grocery store parking lot. We were blindfolded and put in a van and taken to a former X-Bility member's house. Creepy right? Well it gets creepier. When we got to the house we had to remain blindfolded, and we were forced to stand up and have people whisper in our ears. We then formed a line and we had to walk through a group of people while they rubbed their hands all over our bodies. They called this the angel walk, and it was supposed to help us experience love. It was one of the weirdest and creepiest things I have ever experienced. After that we all went home. The next day we all met and prepared to ride together to go to our "third weekend". The destination was supposed to be a surprise, and our group leader was given an envelope with the directions in it. After our pointless scavenger hunt, she opened up the envelope. Our destination was Innsbrook, Missouri, in St. Charles County. Pretty much all third weekend consisted of was the acknowledgments that I described earlier in which Jo blasted me in front of about 25 people. We then graduated on the last day.

I am embarrassed that I ever fell for this cult in the first place. I've only touched on the tip of the iceberg. Please heed my warning and stay away from these people. It is definitely a cult. You will leave this cult feeling like a worse person than you did before you joined. If you are looking for help, then please seek a licensed counselor. Save yourself several thousand dollars and put it towards something meaningful. These people have their best interests at heart, not yours. Other people in my group are still active with X-Bility because once you're in it they try to keep you in it for good. They also offer other courses, such as "The Art and Science of Connection", which my wife and I regretfully wasted $300 on. Stay away from any type of course they offer. Jo and Kavin will offer marriage and parenting advice. Neither one of them has children or has ever been married. They have no professional qualifications whatsoever. Again, please stay away from these people. You'll be glad you did. Feel free to reply to this post/thread with any questions or comments you may have. Thanks for reading!

I would like to apologize for some of my inappropriate comments on here. While I believe my comments to be true, some of them are subjective and just my opinions only. I apologize for bringing up Jo's father. It was unkind. My intent was not to be hurtful, but rather to explain that she dislikes alcoholics. I also stated that X-Bility is a Ponzi scheme. While they do accept people's hard earned money during the money game, it does not fall under the definition of a Ponzi scheme. Jo and Kavin also don't physically steal from people. They will, however, throw someone out of the group if they do not play the money game, which consists of giving Jo and Kavin $1,000 of the money that someone worked for. As I mentioned above, they convince people that getting thrown out of X-Bility is absolutely terrible, so people play the money game to avoid being thrown out of X-Bility. It comes across as very manipulative on X-Bility's part. I also apologize for bringing up the transgender in the group. My intention was not to hurt the transgender person by referencing his/her AIDS. I was not trying to single anyone out. It was to give an example of how people's "words" are not "who they really are". No one can be pure. My belief is that God determines who we are as individuals, and it is He we should seek in the self-discovery process. Also, while I have heard from others in X-Bility that the business is going broke, I cannot prove this statement to be true. I have not seen the company's financial records. All I can say is that the money game used to be $500, and when I took it they doubled the cost to $1,000. While someone who financially advised Jo did tell me that she and Kavin will only take cash for the money game to avoid paying taxes on the money, I cannot prove this to be true. I cannot prove that they are committing tax evasion. That is only an assumption on my part. However, I do find it fishy that someone can only pay them cash for the money game. To sum it all up, this entire post was my opinion. Others may have a different opinion. While I believe that my statements are true, I am not insinuating or suggesting that they are objective truth and/or definitive.

Don't be hard on yourself yourwelcome.

You're only human. I'm a smart person. And I fell for this B.S. LGAT crap.

That's why they're successful. They prey on the vulnerable emotions that we all have.

It's not a Ponzi although there are similarities. But just as bad. And should be illegal. It's an LGAT.

Anyway. Be nice to yourself. And stay away from these people.

Hey, rightofight, welcome back. I remember you from the early days when
CEI was RR.com.

May the holiday spirit ride in on the surfboard of your dreams....

righttofight wrote:

"Then they turned the fire hose of mental games and nasty tricks against me. Turned my gf against me. Her ex bf who was also in this sick tribe against me. He did 1000's in felony vandalism damage against me. They spied on me. I had to sue the ex gf for money she took from me to pay for this garbage. I had to get the police involved with the ex bf and get a restraining order. "

I am not surprised. Yes, the LGATS do these things, and you don't have to be an influential person to be targeted.

If we can't get them shut down based on what they do in the actual classrooms, it is this type of thing that more people need to come forward with, in my opinion.