Kind of like "re-inventing the wheel"?

Has anyone considered that maybe Barbara Bouchey isn't telling the truth? What if she is just a woman scorned and this is pay back? Thoughts?

As someone who is looking from the outside in, it is possible.

However, what would she not be telling the truth about? The notion that Raniere gambled away $65 million dollars in commodities and lost up to a total of $100 million in bad investments? It would seem like that would be quite easy to dismiss if it was not factual. Like I said before, a $100 million dollar loss cannot just be swept under the rug.

And if, as pinkunicorn said, $65 million have been lost on commodities trading, it stands to reason that Bouchey’s claims of gambler-typical behaviours is by that implicitly proven; and by that logic, further assertions in her deposition gain more weight as well.

In the ESP Training Materials’ module on ‘Work and Value’ (as to be found in the Rational Inquiry™ patent (1999) application on page 121) there is another example for re-inventing the wheel.
The paragraph at the bottom of the page corresponds practically one-on-one with Gene Roddenberry’s positive vision of a future as portrayed in Star Trek. One might just recall the dialogue in "First Contact" (1996) between Alfre Woodard’s character and Captain Picard, where he explains that in the future mankind has shed internal strive and material needs. Matter-Energy conversion is ever-present in Star Trek: replicators providing all sorts of goods from Earl-Grey to tubas; beaming; matter/anti-matter reaction as a source of energy; holodecks; etc.
The problem of course is that this kind of a vision cannot be attained by adhering to libertarian principles of property. Once all is produced by simply demanding the goods from a machine, how do we pay for them? How do we earn our money, when machines do all the work? It is simply impossible to achieve this vision based on the monetary implications of libertarianism; in fact, the current system of material exchange, i.e. money, cannot be sustained to do so.
So, as usual, by ‘copying’ (and not giving ‘tribute’ where it’s due) and simplistic application without regard to potentially occurring ‘inconsistencies’ in the teachings, NXIVM has managed to take a positive idea (to lure the more idealistically concerned) and made it useless by other elements (for the more materially oriented espians) of the ideology; the paradox between abdication of material needs, if you wish, and libertarian principles of property is paramount.

(Should this result in a double post, sorry. It's meant in reply to rrmoderator's 're-inventing the wheel?')



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2010 08:13AM by Macumazahn.

I was just playing devil's advocate... I believe she is telling the truth. She has nothing to gain by lying and everything to lose by telling the truth. Her life is worse for what she's said, not better. Sleeping with the creepy Raniere or not, each time he took money from the sisters, Barbara MADE LESS MONEY. Fee based financial planners make a percentage of their client's porfolio... theirs was shrinking as were her comissions. While what he was doing was crazy, it was also hurting her business. I'm willing to bet this loss of income was the beginning of the end.

Barbara Bouchey seems to have been largely wiped out financially through her involvement with Raniere/NXIVM.

Raniere seems to use, loose and then abuse women repeatedly.

The Albany Times-Union quoted the Bronfman's LA lawyer and he didn't deny the losses. He just tried to spin them as somehow acceptable.

For a supposed "genius" Raniere appears to actually handle money quite stupidly.

His business "Consumer Buyline" tanked, and now he is blowing the Bronfman's money.

Wasn't he also involved in the National Health Network or so? Another former girlfriend's business that tanked and resulted in legal troubles and the like?

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For a supposed "genius" Raniere appears to actually handle money quite stupidly.

That's because it's never his own money and he's a compulsive gambler to boot. Easy come easy go. What an ethical person he is.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2010 11:38AM by pinkunicorn.

There's a new 3-part series about the Bronfman brats and Raniere at: [saratogaindecline.blogspot.com]. Some pretyy interesting stuff there.