Why "Landmark education" is a mild "cult" despite it says it is NOT
Posted by: MartinH ()
Date: January 17, 2009 07:50PM

I would like to gather some opinions about this question ...

Though people are free to come and leave at any time, there is a mild tendency to brainwashing ...

(1) Main point: The constant "pressure" on participants to bring new guests. Every course includes "guest conversations". Some
if not most participants think that it is a very important thing to invite new guests.

(2) Landmark education never asks for or considers feedback of participants.

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Re: Why "Landmark education" is a mild "cult" despite it says it is NOT
Posted by: MartinH ()
Date: January 22, 2009 10:09PM

I lost my job due to some women leading the TMLP. she was arrogant and persuaded me to stay in the program, then she
started to treat me as she wanted. it is a very good place to have power over people.

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Re: Why "Landmark education" is a mild "cult" despite it says it is NO
Posted by: elena ()
Date: January 24, 2009 01:29AM

Here's a recent review of a book on theoretical physics from the New York Times in which the writer refers to "a cult called EST:"

[www.nytimes.com]

"...In his new book, “The Black Hole War: My Battle With Stephen Hawking to Make the World Safe for Quantum Mechanics,” Susskind’s cosmos gets even weirder. Black holes already seemed scary enough, with their ability to swallow everything, including light. For a while, we learn, physicists were faced with the possibility that these cosmic vortexes might also be eaters of order, sucking up and destroying information. Like the Echthroi, the evil demons of entropy in Madeleine L’Engle’s novel “A Wind in the Door,” black holes might be chomping their way through the universe, ploughing sense into nonsense.

The story of how Susskind and a colleague, the Dutch physicist Gerard ’t Hooft, disproved (or at least undermined) the theory begins in 1983 at a San Francisco mansion owned by, of all people, Werner Erhard, the New Age entrepreneur who had made his fortune with a profitable cult called EST. Erhard, we’re told, was also a “physics groupie,” and he presided over salons in which some of the world’s great theorists came to butt minds."


...To which Marin Leaf responds, in typical lame-assed lawyerly fashion, that only the ignorant or evil would refer to est as a cult:

[www.nytimes.com]

January 4, 2009
Letters
‘Not a Cult’

To the Editor:

George Johnson’s review of Leonard Susskind’s book “The Black Hole War” (Aug. 22) refers to “Werner Erhard, the New Age entrepreneur who had made his fortune with a profitable cult called EST.” As the former attorney for est, an educational corporation, I would like to respond.

While it is true that from time to time various critics of the est training alleged either out of ignorance or malice that “est”was a cult, it was firmly established that such allegation was false. Dr. Margaret Singer, one of the most prominent experts on the subject of cults in America, testified under oath that she did not believe est was a cult. That est was not a cult was affirmed by many prominent, credible experts. Indeed, the book under review does not describe est as a cult.

Over one million people participated in est’s programs, among them government leaders, members of the judiciary and a complete cross section of professions, businesses, arts and entertainment, the military, media and the general population. In addition, in the more than two decades of its existence, many people were employed by est. In the interest of all their reputations, I urge you to remove the stigma of association with a cult.

Martin N. Leaf
New York


Gee, Martin. Why didn't you mention the fact that Margaret Singer was hounded, harassed, and sued by Landmark till the poor old lady capitulated with a mealy mouthed "retraction." In her book about cults she most definitely includes Werner Erhard's "Landmark Forum."




Ellen

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Re: Why "Landmark education" is a mild "cult" despite it says it is NOT
Date: January 30, 2009 05:13AM

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MartinH
I would like to gather some opinions about this question ...


(1) Main point: The constant "pressure" on participants to bring new guests. Every course includes "guest conversations". Some
if not most participants think that it is a very important thing to invite new guests.

I met a woman a few years ago. She appeared friendly and nice and it seemed that she really wanted to be friends. Within a few months of us meeting she would drop hints about Landmark and how great it was. I had no idea what it was but she spoke so highly of it, so I said why not.
Though it was interesting, alot of the concepts come from other sources not worth the 495 and a weekend. Especially the part about how to get others to sign up.

The biggest disappointment was once this "friend" got me to go to Landmark she no longer had any interest in being friends. She basically just wanted me as another person she signed up and she basically said so.

On another note, I am a stable person so I could handle the intense techniques they used but some folks could not. One person actually past out while the leader was belittleing her. She came too quickly but was never offered medical attention. Since then I have received by degree in social work. I can say that in all the research I have read there is nothing that says belittleing a person is a good technique to use on ALL clients at ALL times. In fact it is not used at all.

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