I just found this waiver posted on another thread on this board, and my stomach is churning.

My boyfriend must have signed this. If he did sign it, he would have been lying on many counts. He has had a history of depression, was on Wellbutrin, just recently went off of it without any attendent therapy or counseling, he has been under psychiatric care, has terrible insomnia and often doesn't sleep. I know he wasn't sleeping much during and after the seminar.

All of these things are listed as reasons not to take the seminar, but he took it, and now he's taking the Advanced Course. No one double checked this information, of course, he just lied and passed in his sheet and walked in the door.

Jesus, I am so worried about him. He's enough of an asshole not to worry about himself though, isn't he. And here I am driving myself crazy worrying about him. God help me.





You can get it at the Landmark website but you have to sign up and give them your email address.

I copied it from somewhere a while back. I believe it's been posted here and other places before.

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Notices - Page 2

Notice of Important Information, Health Warnings, and Legal Agreements

1. We are pleased that you are going to participate in Landmark Forum (the "Program"). Many people have found the Program to be an enjoyable and valuable experience. However, the Program is not advisable for everyone. The purpose of this Notice is to ensure that you are not one of the people for whom this Program may be inadvisable.
We take our responsibility and your safety seriously. Please read each section of this Notice carefully and completely so you can make the right decision for yourself. The recommendations in this Notice have been made by mental health professionals who advise Landmark Education.
Although the number of people who have experienced serious problems during or after the Program is quite small, you should be certain whether the Program is appropriate for you. If you have any questions, please contact a mental health professional. We will assume from your participation in the Program and from your declaration at the end of this application that you have a full understanding of each and every paragraph which follows and that you understand our recommendations and will comply with our instructions.
You and you alone are responsible for your choice to participate in the Program and for your own health and well-being at all times prior to, during and after your participation in the Program.
2. The Program is a unique course of instruction designed to support people in being more effective in realizing their own personal and societal goals. Through a series of philosophically rigorous and open discussions, voluntary sharing of your experience and short exercises, the Program provides an opportunity to explore basic questions that have been of interest to human beings throughout time and to examine many aspects of your own life. In the Program, people come to grips with what it means to be human - not as a mere classroom exercise, but as a rigorous inquiry. The Program offers a unique technology through which people create new possibilities for their lives.
3. In the Program, you will inquire into fundamental issues that have been of interest and concern to us as human beings. The experience of the Program is unique to each individual and there is no way to predict in advance exactly what you may think or feel. It is normal for some people to experience unwanted or unfamiliar emotions from time to time, such as fear, anger, sadness, regret, hatred, irritation and impatience. For most participants, exploring thoughts and feelings that they have not fully explored before is a useful and positive learning experience. Some participants have found that exploring life's issues honestly may evoke uncomfortable and unpleasant feelings. For others, the Program may occur as physically, mentally and emotionally seriously distressing. If you are unwilling to encounter any of these powerful experiences in yourself or in others, or if you have any concern about your ability to deal with such experiences, THE MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS WHO ADVISE LANDMARK EDUCATION ("OUR ADVISORS") STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE in the Program.
4. Some people experience temporary and not seriously consequential stress during and after the Program. For most people, stress is a normal part of everyday life. However, people who have a history of mental illness or serious emotional problems personally or in their immediate family may be more vulnerable to stress and may experience additional and very severe physical, mental or emotional problems. In people who have physical, mental or emotional problems, even normal amounts of stress from any source may generate severe physical, mental or emotional problems. If you have any history of mental illness or emotional problems personally or in your immediate family, whether temporary, occasional or intermittent, and whether treated or not, or have concerns about your ability to handle stress, OUR ADVISORS STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE in the Program. If you are uncertain about whether this applies to you, we advise you to discuss this with a mental health professional before participating in the Program.
5. While it is ultimately your choice, OUR ADVISORS STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOULD NOT PARTICIPATE in the Program if you:
1. have a personal or family history of bi-polar affective disorder (manic-depressive disorder), schizophrenia, acute or chronic depression or other psychotic disorder, whether or not you or they are being or have ever been treated or hospitalized;
2. are taking, have taken or been prescribed to take within the previous twelve months anti-anxiety drugs (such as Librium, Ativan, Klonapin, Xanax, Dormicum or others); anti-depressants (such as Elavil, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Cipram, Prothiaden or others); anti-psychotics (such as Thorazine, Haldol, Stelazine, Risperdal, Zyprexa, Dogmatil or others); any medication to treat bi-polar disorders (such as Lithium, Gabapentin or Depakote); any drugs or medicines, whether prescription or non-prescription, intended to treat or affect mental processes or mood or to treat a chemical imbalance; or anabolic steroids;
3. have an unresolved history of drug or steroid abuse;
4. are or have in the past year been depressed and/or considered or had ideas of suicide, self-harm or harm to another;
5. are currently in therapy and your therapist sees a health reason why you should not participate in the Program; or
6. are uncertain about your physical, mental or emotional ability to participate in the Program.
6. From time to time, during or shortly after participating in the Program, a very small number of people who have no personal or family history of mental illness or drug abuse have reported experiencing brief, temporary episodes of emotional upset ranging from heightened activity, irregular or diminished sleep, to mild psychotic-like behavior. An even smaller number of people have reported more serious symptoms ranging from mild psychotic behavior to psychosis occasionally requiring medical care and hospitalization. In less than 1/1000 of 1% of participants, there have been reports of unexplained suicide or other destructive behavior. While we know of no independent studies to suggest that people who are physically, emotionally and mentally healthy are at risk in the Program, certain persons have claimed that the Program has caused or triggered in them a psychosis or psychotic event.
7. The Program is designed for people who clearly understand they are responsible for their own health and well-being before, during and after the Program. It is not therapeutic in design, intent or methodology and is not to be used as a substitute for medical treatment, psychotherapy or health program of any nature, regardless of what you may believe or have heard from anyone. We advise you that the Program Leaders, staff and people who assist at the Program are not mental health professionals and there will not be any mental health professionals in attendance.
8. If you experience any symptoms or suggestion of mental distress in the Program sessions, during the breaks or at the end of any session, or between sessions, you must immediately inform the Program Leader or the Program Supervisor. In such event, you and the Program Leader will discuss the matter and you will determine what is the appropriate thing for you to do. If you experience any symptoms or suggestions of mental distress outside of the Program, we strongly recommend that you immediately inform a physician or mental health professional.
9. While there are breaks in the Program approximately every 2 to 3 hours, we do not promise that we will always break at precisely that interval. You are, of course, free to leave the Program room at any time. Each day there is one meal break in the late afternoon or early evening, usually lasting about an hour and a half. We suggest that you eat a meal before arriving at the beginning of each day, and have a third meal or snack after you leave in the evening. You are welcome to bring snacks to eat during other short breaks in the Program. If you have a medical condition requiring you to eat or care for some special need more frequently than the regularly scheduled breaks, or need special seating or must stand and stretch frequently or have any other special needs, please notify the Program Supervisor before the Program begins so that appropriate arrangements can be made for you.
10. If you have not been feeling well or if you have been meaning to see a physician or a mental health professional for some complaint, symptom or concern, or if you have had difficulty sleeping lately, or been depressed, it is imperative that you consult with a physician or mental health professional prior to your participating in the Program. Upon request, Landmark will provide you with information required to enable you to make an informed decision about your participation.
11. Although the schedule of the Program usually (but not always) accommodates sufficient time for sleeping, some participants have stated that they did not have sufficient time to sleep or were unable to sleep at night before, during or after the Program. Some people have entered the Program without having had sufficient sleep. For some people, lack of sleep can become a serious problem and may be symptomatic of a mental or emotional illness. If in the past you have become (or think that you may become) ill or seriously distressed because of lack of sleep, OUR ADVISORS STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE in the Program. If you do not have sufficient sleep or if you have a sleep disorder during the week before the commencement of the Program, OUR ADVISORS STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO NOT PARTICIPATE in the Program. If during the Program, you feel that you have been unable to sleep or have not had sufficient sleep, you must notify your Program Leader or Program Supervisor at once.
12. If, after your consulting with your medical or mental or health professional, your health professional needs any additional information about the Program in order to resolve your ability to participate, please contact the Registration Fulfillment Manager at the Center delivering this Program who will provide you with such information.


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CONFIDENTIALITY AGREEMENT
In order to promote and respect the confidentiality of our participants and our intellectual property, please read and sign the following: I understand that The Landmark Forum (the "Program") is limited to people who have registered in the Program. In consideration of and as a condition for permitting my participation in the Program, I represent, covenant, warrant and agree that:

1. I have registered in the Program under my own name for the sole purpose of participating in the Program;
2. I will not publish, broadcast or disclose or assist another person or organization in publishing, broadcasting or disclosing the identity, likeness or actual or paraphrased comments, of other participants in the Program, Staff or people who assist during the Program; and
3. I will not film, videotape, audiotape or otherwise record, by electronic, digital or any other means, all or any portion of the Program, and I will not record or take pictures, or assist another person or organization in recording and/or taking pictures of any kind or nature, of all or any portion of the Program or of any participants in the Program, Staff or people who assist in the Program. I will not take into the Program room a tape or video recorder, movie or still camera, or any device, electronic or otherwise, intended to record the voice or likeness of any person in the Program room.


I further agree that the provisions of this Agreement shall be enforceable under the laws of Delaware and my breach of this Agreement shall constitute, among other things, a breach of contract and trespass for which Landmark Education shall have the right to full legal and equitable recourse, including injunctive or other extraordinary relief and damages. Any unenforceable portion of this Agreement shall not affect the remainder.
I recognize that my breach of this Agreement will cause Landmark Education and/or the participants in the Program irreparable and substantial harm even though it may be impossible to ascertain the full monetary extent of their financial loss.
Nothing in this Confidentiality Agreement is intended to limit you from sharing your experience of the Program with anyone.

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I agree that any dispute, claim or controversy arising out of my participation in the Program (or any of its associated activities), including the interpretation, application, execution, performance or enforcement of any provision of this Agreement or concerning Landmark Education LLC, its officers, managers, employees, agents, people who assist and/or other participants in the Program (Landmark Education) will be submitted to and determined by final and binding arbitration. This Agreement to arbitrate includes claims that there have been any wrongful acts or omissions in my registration in the Program and the warnings and disclosure, content or delivery of the Program (or any of its associated activities) by Landmark Education. Any such dispute, claim or controversy shall not be determined by lawsuit or resort to any court process in any court of law or equity, except as applicable law provides for judicial review, confirmation and enforcement of arbitration proceedings and awards. Judgment upon any award rendered in arbitration may be entered in any court having competent jurisdiction and an application may be made to such court for an order of enforcement.
Such arbitration shall take place pursuant to the Commercial Rules of the American Arbitration Association (AAA) then in effect in the City of Los Angeles, CA and shall be expedited and conducted on successive days before three arbitrators, in accordance with the rules of the AAA then in effect.
I agree that if either party institutes any legal action in any Court not authorized herein, the other party shall be entitled to respond by demurrer or other appropriate response, shall not be required to answer any complaint, and shall be entitled to a dismissal of such legal action. The other party shall be entitled to an award in its favor for the amount of its actual fees and costs of suit.
I understand that Landmark Education, LLC is a Delaware company and that this Agreement will be construed and governed by the laws of the State of Delaware. This Agreement cannot be modified unless in writing signed by me and by Landmark Education.
I also agree that the time in which I may commence arbitration shall not be greater than ninety (90) days following the occurrence of the event or events which is/are the subject of my claim or claims. I understand that if I fail to commence arbitration within said ninety (90) days, I may be forever barred from making such claim or claims against Landmark Education.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT IN WHICH I FREELY GIVE UP MY RIGHT TO A JURY OR COURT TRIAL.

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You must read this section carefully and completely.

By clicking I agree below, you agree that you have been informed of the importance of reading the following information.

INFORMED CONSENT
I have carefully read the Notice of Important Information and Health Warnings and understand the recommendations and instructions. I have been informed to my satisfaction by the person who introduced me to the Program or by a representative of Landmark Education about the general content of the Program and I have had an opportunity to ask questions about anything I do not know or understand. I recognize that it is not possible for Landmark to describe everything that may occur during the Program which generally consists of data presented by the Program Leader; the voluntary sharing of experiences by other participants; and guided exercises or processes. I acknowledge and understand that the Program was designed for people who clearly understand they are responsible for their own health and well-being before, during and after the Program and who wish to enhance their living skills. I represent that I am not participating in the Program to handle any physical, mental or emotional problems and I fully understand that no portion of the Program is delivered or supervised by health professionals.
I am aware and understand that some people have personally perceived the Program to be physically, mentally and/or emotionally stressful to them. I have been informed that certain persons with no personal or family history of current or previous mental or emotional problems and no history of use of psychotropic or mood altering drugs reported having experienced psychotic episodes following the Program.
I acknowledge and understand that I have been STRONGLY ADVISED NOT TO PARTICIPATE in the Program if:

1. I have been diagnosed with an emotional or mental disorder or if someone in my immediate family has a history of emotional or mental disorder;
2. I am using or have used psychotropic or mood altering drugs which are listed in the Notice of Important Information and Health Warnings above;
3. I am or have in the last year been depressed, contemplated suicide, self-harm or harm to another;
4. I have concerns about my ability to handle stress;
5. I have or may become ill or seriously disturbed because of lack of sleep or less sleep than I am accustomed to;
6. I am unwilling or unable to experience powerful emotions in myself or others;
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8. I am uncertain about my physical, mental or emotional ability to participate in the Program

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most people (like me) just signed the damn thing without consulting with a laywer. To sign such a paper within the pressure environment is just an intimidation tecnique they use. But they don't let anyone do their courses without signing it. Probably Werner Erhard took this from Scientology - to scare people from speaking out in fear of what landmark has in their archives.

But Landmark rarely attacks private citizens- mainly they try to stop negavite press using some copyright crap.

Very few individuals dare take them on unfortunately. I don't know if there exists some group of people trying to sue landmark. I now there have been attempts.

The other thing Landmark does, if they do get a waiver stating one might not be the best candidate, is they call that candidate and talk them out of their ailments. Or, they explain how Landmark is just the thing for depression and anxiety and they sort of compare and contrast those conditions to the raving lunatic "really" mentally ill people. Since they do not believe in therapists and psychotherapy, why would they turn away someone who is depressed, anxious or neurotic when they have all the answers?

Hope,

My boyfriend called me the day after his Forum and told me I should do Landmark for my back problems and my endometriosis.

This was a man who wouldn't even do acupuncture because he was wary of "alternative" medicine. Now he's dancing around the Landmark hut with a bone in his nose and throwing powder at me.

And, he has very serious health problems himself, which I hope to GOD he is not going to try to heal with his mind or more Landmark courses.

I believe in the power of the mind to create and to heal illness. There are many courses of study one can undertake to learn more about this. They are nowhere near as expensive as Landmark, they have far more real information, but . . .oh, damn, they can't be finished in 3 days. Oh well! Screw that then . . .

Thanks, vlinden, for posting that Landmark waiver.

From my experience, a typical Lekkie wouldn't read more than the first couple of sentences. Someone attracted to LGAT madness wants a quick fix and they want to be one of the special few.

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...need special seating or must stand and stretch frequently or have any other special needs, please notify the Program Supervisor before the Program begins so that appropriate arrangements can be made for you.

Wouldn't it be great if everyone who attended one of these forums demanded 'special seating' and frequent time out to stretch?

Oh, and by the way, Landmark...I may need to be seated away from others because I tend to pass a lot of wind. Know what I mean?

But, more seriously:

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vlinden
My boyfriend called me the day after his Forum and told me I should do Landmark for my back problems...

I think you'd find their seating arrangements detrimental to your health.

Please refer to an earlier thread in which I discuss Landmark's waiver in detail. You'd have to be crazy to sign such a waiver.

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This agreement has become a lot more complex since I was a staff member, while it was still pretty bad then they have definitly increased the things that they recommend you dont participate for.

by the way if a person ticked yes or no to one of those questions when the answer landmark wants is the other one then a staff member does call and talk to the person about it.

Some of these conversations were incredibly personal, talking to people about the drugs they were taking and why.

A friend who is a lawyer has pointed out that even though someone is signing a waiver of liability, it could quite easily be challenged legally. simply because you don't know what you are getting into fully so you can't actually make an informed decision.

dear lord, that is a sleazy disclaimer.
Very clearly its saying...if you don't take Landmark, you are MENTALLY ILL or have "serious emotional problems".

Landmark knows that people who may have issues, are the LAST ones usually to admit it. And that disclaimer functions something like a challenge to them...ARE YOU STRONG ENOUGH?

It also protects Landmark, of course.
Its loaded with Landmark language.

They want people to feel bad about themselves if they don't take Landmark...like something is wrong with them.
In reality, its the exact opposite. Those who don't take Landmark are far better off.
They state right there that some people get PSYCHOSIS from Landmark. They have to put that in.

Werner Erhard is one of the worst of all time, truly a disturbed person.

also, by Landmarks own criteria, most people should NOT take Landmark.

So don't take it.

If anyone ever asks you again to take Landmark again in your life, just tell them to read their own stupid disclaimer that states most people should NOT take Landmark.
That is the perfect way to shut these Landmark recruiters up. Read your own ridiculous disclaimer.

Or tell them to sign on the disclaimer that they personally think YOU should take it. Get them to sign their name on the Landmark disclaimer stating they think you should take Landmark.

This is actually the perfect LGAT buster...ask for the LGAT disclaimer signed by the salesperson personally, stating why you should take it.
They will go numb all over and walk away.

Its tempting to go into some Landmark Intro meeting to "discuss" that disclaimer for about 3 hrs publically in front of the new recruits..



this is the perfect way to get rid of the LGAT recruiters.

Ask for the Disclaimer for the LGAT.
Then get them to cross-out the parts of it that don't apply to you, and ask them to sign it personally, or have their manager sign it.

Then tell them you are going to get it legally notarized at the notary at the mall.

If everyone did that, they would be out of business.
Its Judo, just use their own disclaimer against them.

If they say they don't have a disclaimer, get them to sign a document saying they don't have a disclaimer.
you will never hear from them again.