Greetings,
I did read some of the introductory material before posting. Perhaps you (the prior respondent) "overlooked" the point of what I wrote- or just did not get it. That is okay. I was not writing to you personally. I enjoyed writing it.
As for such introductory material, I saw reference to "crystals." I love that example. I'll come back to that.
Here's one of the several definitions of "cult" from Webster's, according to this site:
"5. a: A great devotion to a person, idea, thing;"
A great devotion, eh? That's all!
"5. a: A great devotion to a person, idea, thing;
esp.: such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad"
Regarded as a fad by whom? How about by me?
Let's take the idea of crystals, especially as used for alleged telepathic communication. This idea, devoted to greatly by a certain cult of scientists, resulted in such things as radio, television, and cell phone communications. Except perhaps for cable TV, that is all "telepathic" communication based on crystal (quartz) resonance. Even many wristwatches feature crystals for their unique energetic properties.
The great devotion to that idea that something is not true simply because it is unfamiliar is called superstition- by me. The flat earth hypothesis is perhaps the most famous example. The great devotion to the idea that ___ is a horrible cult is another.
Hence my prior reference to "the sincere lie." I understand that some of us just may not get it. If we *know* that crystals and round earths and so on are unworthy of exploring, then we won't explore it, and we won't experience it. Same with MKP or anything else.
I have no great stake in convincing you of anything- that quartz crystals are functional in telecommuncation that traditional people might call witchcraft. So be it.
I have no qualm with a concern for "hate groups" and for hate, and invite that we each accept responsibility for any hate we conduct, such as hate for the quartz crystal cult or MKP. I define my life, what I consider a cult, what I consider superstition, what I choose to hate, or what else I might choose instead- even if I have been "brainwashed" into rejecting the round earth hypothesis simply because it is not familiar. I can accept responsibility and I do.
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There are also differing degrees and distinctions regarding persuasion techniques, such as education, advertising, propaganda, indoctrination and thought reform often called "brainwashing."
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True. Yet, education is not fundamentally persuasion. Mainstream public education, derived from free Prussian military prep boarding academies of yesteryear, may be fundamentally persuasion, but all "education?"
I can study something and learn without being educated by anyone else. Consider quartz technology, for instance. Some scientists pursued learning by experience, not by seeking to be persuaded or to persuade.
Had they just read the predominant literature, they might have ignored such "superstitious" ideas as electrical currents and vibrating energy called matter.
So, let my concern be around the process of pre-meditated persuasion. All forms of it are distinct, and all share a common factor which I consider rather unappealing. On that note, I stand against all preaching, so let me say little or none as my hypocrisy is already breaking my "straight face" into a smile. Or let me say delicately.
Perhaps, moderator, you have never been in jail or in the military or in the detention camps of the USA for the indigenous and Japanese and in Germany for the 12 million, only 6 million of whom were Jewish, to my knowledge. Perhaps you have not witnessed the high priests in their black robes and wigs conducting the civil religious ceremonies of the martial courts. I do not know that many of those detained or captured would have been grateful, but my experience with MKP is deep with gratitude, no matter how much hate anyone may have for me or it.
I am grateful even for this exchange. I have seen stories in which even in the midst of the institutions of destruction, gratitude was shared. I have met victims of military torture. I met a lady who was a slave in her youth in Asia. The torture victim was an elderly Tibetan monk, Paulden Gyatso, and he was one of the most well-adjsuted people I have ever met.
So, I am not really interested in the specific issues people associate with MKP or this or that, indeed I am not sure what issues those might be except in general fear and anger obviously. I am not really all that interested in the specific issue of persuasion even, as much as I go on about it.
I ask: what is most relevant? What is most responsible? What do I value most?
I have my own experience with MKP. If someone has a question about MKP, they can research the thread or contact me or both. I would invite them to contact me in particular if they consider MKP spefically relevant and attractive to them. As I said previously, I recommend other "programs" even more.
MKP does absolutely involve persuasion, and yes education. I do not deny or defend that. The experiential education is far more consciously appreciated by me than the preaching, but that's me.
MKP is also clearly perceived as threatening to some people. I understand that it is not as innocent as a mere sweatlodge. It is an initiation ceremony, adapted for modern times, but drawn from ancient traditions. There are open weekly groups (while some have prerequisites, similar to college). If you think MKP is a bigger threat to your identity or prosperity than the mafia's organized crime operations of governing the masses with centralized banking credits, that shows your perceptual filter and what you depend on psychically (psychologically). If you experience pain that you associate with it, there is much pain and many proximate sources. There is also much healing. What do I choose to identify with?
I forecast financial markets, among other things. People in general are almost always surprised by changes in economic trends- from recessions to booms to depressions. Market forecasters in general are not.
My identity- my life- is my choice. I identify MKP as primarily a *deprogramming practice, not a programming practice. If you oppose it because in it, people systematically define words like integrity (or cult), so be it. I jest.
If you are really concerned about *influential "secret societies", is there a topic on the Fabian Society, Skull and Bones, and even the CFR? I suspect that in the cartoon here (if you read the caption and especially if you have seen the movie Wag the Dog), I do a bit to undermine brainwashing as well as evolve confused complaining into clarity: www. TruthSetFree.com
I suggest that [those DBA] MKP does not "generate" complaints. It invites them or at least accepts them, and yes attracts some too- and proposes specific ways to deal with complaints and challenge- not just within the circle of men, but in general. Does that mean that there are no overzealous or abusive participants in MKP? No.
I don't know what has been done at every MKP event, but I would probably be angry too. Indeed I feel angry now, and I already was before I went to an MKP event.
I'm told that there are organizations who intentionally seek to infiltrate perceived threats to hegemony, with their undercover operations of sabotage. Is undercover sabotage "righteous" as long as it is the CIA or LAPD? What if they infiltitrate the Black Panthers (for instance) and then cause controversy relating to cocaine, de-railing the "threat?" Is that just effective politics? Maybe it is! Is that what MKP does? Is that what has been done to MKP? I don't know. What I do know is that complaining can be exhausting! Let's have fun with it or have fun with something else....
Let's feel whatever we feel- any grief and pain- and any gratitude and healing. Let's recognize that another undercover sabotage in response to the prior undercover sabotage against us does not end undercover sabotage, but perpetuates undercover sabotage.
Who is responsible for my experience? Who can cultivate grace- honor it?
MKP is only most relevant if it helps me in that. If not, there is nothing to discuss about it, for me.
I know people who complain frequently about the IRS or the FDA. I understand their complaints. I presume that you can sense from my other comments that while I may not condemn various mainstream operations, neither do I condone them.
I am more interested in healing... and only understanding within that context. I don't need to understand everything in detail.
I saw something in this website about MKP's indemnity clauses- critical and suspicious. They are a lot like a high school sports indemnity clause. I have had more harm done to me by MDs than by MKP (none?)- and I didn't even get the disclosure of seeing an indemnity clause- like the warning label on cigarettes or prescription meds ("may cause side unexpected side effects such as impotence, blindness, paralysis and/or death"). I don't want to sue the MDs for that harm; I want responsibility and a recognition of what is harmful and what is helpful- first for myself!
If the MDs were misled or devious or just accidentally amputated the wrong leg (negligent systematically if not personally), I am still responsible for the choices I make now. How do I practice as an MD- or otherwise?
I would sacrifice the potential of your sympathy for the potential of our celebration that I witness now the immediate source of some serious challenges for me. Even more relevant, I witness the source of root solutions, resolutions, for me.
Yes, I've been operating according to dysfunctional programs that exhaust me in my complainings and otherwise. But how relevant is that now?
My choice is that my own responsibility is most relevant to me- as I partner with systems of which I compose a tiny part, but that changes everything. Upon the tree of life, there is a branch, and that branch is entirely the tree. Upon that branch, there is a stem, and that stem is entirely the branch, and entirely the tree. Welcome.
Life was starting to really make me mad when suddenly, I woke up. How are you?
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Moderator:
If you look back on this thread and/or read the site in more detail you will find there is specific information that you overlooked.
First note the disclaimer.
See [
board.culteducation.com]
And also [
www.culteducation.com]
Simply because a group has a subsection within the database does not mean it is a "cult."
Some of the groups listed have been called "cults" many have not.
Regarding the definition of a destructive cult.
See [
www.culteducation.com]
The military is not a "cult."
See [
www.culteducation.com]
There are also differing degrees and distinctions regarding persuasion techniques, such as education, advertising, propaganda, indoctrination and thought reform often called "brainwashing."
See [
www.culteducation.com]
Mass marathon training seminars or weekends, such as MKP, seem to have the same sort of problems repeatedly and generate similar complaints.
See [
www.culteducation.com]
Look back on this thread for analysis of the specfic issues regarding MKP.
When you jump in on a thread, perhaps you should research a bit more what has been said and further information.