Take the time to read this thread completely.
Note all the links and research material.
LGATs have a long history of serious problems and have hurt many people.
Of course no one thinks they have been "brainwashed," but quite frankly many LGATs can be seen as thought reform or "brainwashing" programs.
Note the liabilities listed in this research paper about LGATs aka "mass marathon training."
# They lack adequate participant-selection criteria.
# They lack reliable norms, supervision, and adequate training for leaders.
# They lack clearly defined responsibility.
# They sometimes foster pseudoauthenticity and pseudoreality.
# They sometimes foster inappropriate patterns of relationships.
# They sometimes ignore the necessity and utility of ego defenses.
# They sometimes teach the covert value of total exposure instead of valuing personal differences.
# They sometimes foster impulsive personality styles and behavioral strategies.
# They sometimes devalue critical thinking in favor of "experiencing" without self-analysis or reflection.
# They sometimes ignore stated goals, misrepresent their actual techniques, and obfuscate their real agenda.
# They sometimes focus too much on structural self-awareness techniques and misplace the goal of democratic education; as a result participants may learn more about themselves and less about group process.
# They pay inadequate attention to decisions regarding time limitations. This may lead to increased pressure on some participants to unconsciously "fabricate" a cure.
# They fail to adequately consider the "psychonoxious" or deleterious effects of group participation (or] adverse countertransference reactions.
Also note the danger signs--
1. Leaders had rigid, unbending beliefs about what participants should experience and believe, how they should behave in the group. and when they should change.
2. Leaders had no sense of differential diagnosis and assessment skills, valued cathartic emotional breakthroughs as the ultimate therapeutic experience, and sadistically pressed to create or force a breakthrough in every participant.
3. Leaders had an evangelical system of belief that was the one single pathway to salvation.
4. Leaders were true believers and sealed their doctrine off from discomforting data or disquieting results and tended to discount a poor result by, "blaming the victim."
Many of techniques cited within this research paper concerning "coercive persuasion" can be seen within LGATs.
There has been no study as far as I am aware. Altho, i must say, the Trainer has release alot of books on various topics involved in his workshops. Many (if not all) have a million studies (with published and verified results) as proof for an argument. Please visit [www.insighttc.org] to see what i am talking about.Quote
That's a fairly typical response, i.e. "it surely isn't in line with mine." I understand that it is a very typical response. As i said, i'm not here to defend the workshops i did (whether they're good or bad). I am here to express the result of these workshops. I was never told not to talk about what goes on inside the workshops. Thing is tho, and this is just logic, if i tell everyone who asks what goes on inside, they will not "benefit as i have" from the workshops. And bear in mind, i went in with a choice already made. Not very open minded and very very stubborn.
Are you sure about that? I am not here to defend the institution i did the workshops at. I am merely testifying that it has worked wonders for me and that if were to make the choice again, i would make the same choice.
You seem very quick to dismiss anything critical about LGATs when it comes to your "experience." It's not that i am dismissing anything critical to my experience, BUT my experience is mine alone. I experienced it. I cannot make someone else experience my experience (and see this as cult jargon or Quest speak if you want). Fact is, getting involved with this LGAT has changed my life, FOR THE BETTER. And getting involved with this LGAT has never led to being forced, convinced or recruited to do anything. I personally want to go and assist on these workshops because they changed my life and i would like to learn more, learn again, reinforce what i have learned.
What educational or licensing requirements does your LGAT expect from its leaders? there is no expectation of educational requirements. Again, this did not matter to me. I have been locked up before, been to shrinks before and it just got me more insane. If i knew, at any point during my two year period of research into my chosen LGAT that any of the trainers were qualified shrinks, i would not have gone. I detest the institution of Psychology and Psychiatry because it has not worked for me and it has damaged me. JUST LIKE many people on this forum detest whatever LGAT they got involved in because it did not work for them and has left them damaged.
Is the LGAT somehow accountable through a licensing board? No it is not. I agree with this (and may i sound like a LGAT graduate here >>>) because we are all responsible for our selves. And besides, i firmly believe insanity/mental damage is a mechanism that allows the ego to hide and protect itself.
Is the LGAT accredited as an educational institution? As i said above, it is not.
What objectively measurable results have been found through a peer-reviewed and published study? There has not been a peer reviewed study. reason, again, from my side, simply because, as people who are supposed to be self confident (as ALL SELF HELP BOOKS PROCLAIM) one has to not care what others think. Image for a second you have a product, and upon selling it you have no confidence that it will work/benefit anyone, would you still sell the same number of products as when you are confident it is good and will benefit a large number of people?
Has one ever been done regarding your LGAT?
I did one of these LGAT's like two years ago. I've been told time and again the Insight Training Centre, led by Baruch/Royee Banai, is the same as Quest. Yet we never got stripped down to our underwear. We had costumes. And having been overweight, i felt nervous to stand before these strangers and get them to judge my body. But i walked out of there, laughing, feeling it's not so bad. So i'm fat. And other people saw it. And?
Here is what a Johannesburg based Psychologist says about Quest:
“I am a psychologist in private practice in Linden, Johannesburg. I refer my clients for many different experiences and workshops to speed up their emotional development. I have referred many clients to Quest for the past six years. I find that it is a brilliant way for my clients to become aware of any limiting or destructive perceptions about ‘how people are’ or ‘how life works’ that they might have and get a chance to challenge those perceptions in a group environment. Quest usually pushes some buttons for my clients and when they return to therapy after Quest, they work through their challenges faster and more efficiently. Quest tends to bring suppressed emotions to the surface and make them easier for me to work with, and I use my clients’ experiences during Quest to leverage rapid and congruent change for them. I highly recommend Quest for anyone wishing to create change in their life.
Dr Janne Dannerup. www.jmdpsych.com