How many were &quot;plants&quot;
Date: January 01, 2004 04:08AM
***This is pretty much the same lame old sing-song apologetic any hard core Landmark groupie offers, though you seem to be trying to water it down a bit for this board.***
***However, if you are the same "Siam" and Landmark devotee that posts at alt.fan.Landmark, you are actually a real flamer and fanatic.***
Yes, I am the same Landmark devotee and a real flamer and fanatic. I have a Landmark tattoo on my right ankle and a picture of Werner Erhard on my left forearm.
Have you posted on AFL?
***For the record, when people repeat the course it clearly supports the conclusion that there is such a thing as a "Landmark junkie" or addict. Moreover, they certainly do support and essentially shill for the leader. In this sense they serve as not only repeat income, but also as a useful tool to manipulate newcomers.***
I don't know why other people went. Maybe there are some Landmark junkies. If that place makes them happy, then big deal. There are Church junkies, golf junkies, poker junkies, etc. They are all supporting some 'industry' as well. If people 'enjoy' Landmark, than let them live there.
***And Landmark leaders don't stray from the set formula. The Forum is the Forum is the Forum. After all, its Werner's licensed "technology" and it hasn't been modified much since the 1970s when it was called EST.***
When was the last time you did the Forum/est to make that comparison. Every person is different no matter if the 'formula' is basically static.
***By the way, I have repeatedly agreed to take the Forum when various Landmark devotees offered to sponsor me.
You know how that goes, "You have to experience Landmark"...blah, blah, blah.
But I explicitly refused to sign away any of my rights through Landmark's paperwork.
Subsequently, the home office in San Francisco didn't follow up.
So don't do the Landmark Forum. Who really cares?
***Landmark has been sued so many times for personal injuries that they attempt to protect themselves through paperwork that requires anyone that signs/attends to binding arbitration, thus relinquishing rights to the option of a civil suit in court with a jury.***
Unfortunately our society has become so litigious that every business has to take extreme measures to protect themselves. People can sue for anything and there are so many lawyers who will take a case on contigency or just provide enough hassle that an insurance company will pay off the case rather than spend resources on a court trial -- even one where they are 100% sure they will win.
***Neat trick, but no thanks.
My advice to anyone is to read the paperwork carefully and don't sign anything.***
Then they can't do Landmark. And if you don't sign papers, you can't see a doctor, rent a car, get a driver's license or vote. You always have a choice.
***Obviously, Landmark/EST has a deeply troubled history. So troubled in fact, that it really defies logic why anyone who is aware of that history would even bother to take any of its courses.***
America has such a troubled history of slavery, racism, and war that it really defies logic why anyone who is aware of that history wouldn't bother to emigrate.
****There are better alternatives for education with less risk and more value elsewhere, such as community colleges, support groups, social services etc.
Counseling and/or education from qualified professionals is preferable to learning borrowed philosophies devised by a encyclopedia salesman.***
***The point is that no one really needs Landmark's courses***
Nobody ~needs~ anything in life except food and shelter.
*** and there are more cost-effective and safer ways to "get it," i.e. read about Landmark for free on the Internet.***
Go ahead and read about counseling on the Internet and see how far that gets you. Or read about how to play golf so you don't have to waste money seeing a golf pro and let's see the improvement in your golf game.
***After all the hype Landmark is actually a for-profit business, not some kind of philosophic philanthropy.***
This is not hidden one bit. 100% FOR-PROFIT business.
***And given the cost of its courses and the inherent risks involved, which have well established, it really isn't worth it.***
In your ~humble~ opinion. I think it is well worth it, given the low cost of the courses and low inherent risk.