Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
hotshot
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Date: December 21, 2003 07:58PM
Anyone know of this famous increasingly growing institute, that that sells meditation like tapes.
Very curious if anyone has any stories.
Very curious if anyone has any stories.
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 22, 2003 04:49AM
(Note to readers: 'Centrepoint' was an New Zealand commune centered on a charismatic leader that turned into a sex mess.
(2023 update)
Horrible stories of pedophile abuse orchestrated by Centrepointe leader Bert Potter and his adult enforcers emerged after Potter's death in 2012. Many contine to defend Centrepointe and seek to minimize survivors as disbelievers. Some like to claim that freethinking communes such as Centrepointe attract rumors and persecution.
Many who were used as children to service the warped fantasies of the adult Centrepoint perpetrators remain in anguish to this day.
To learn more, read 'Bert's Labyrinth' by journalist Anke Richter, 2015
[northandsouth.co.nz]
[northandsouth.co.nz]
'Centerpointe' is based in the US and is a spin-off of Transcendental Meditation--and that's the group 'Hotshot' needed info for. The next two posts will give you info about 'Centerpointe'--aka Holosynch Corboy)
To prevent confusion, I am moving the info about the NZ Centrepoint commune to a new thread)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2023 09:48PM by corboy.
(2023 update)
Horrible stories of pedophile abuse orchestrated by Centrepointe leader Bert Potter and his adult enforcers emerged after Potter's death in 2012. Many contine to defend Centrepointe and seek to minimize survivors as disbelievers. Some like to claim that freethinking communes such as Centrepointe attract rumors and persecution.
Many who were used as children to service the warped fantasies of the adult Centrepoint perpetrators remain in anguish to this day.
To learn more, read 'Bert's Labyrinth' by journalist Anke Richter, 2015
[northandsouth.co.nz]
[northandsouth.co.nz]
'Centerpointe' is based in the US and is a spin-off of Transcendental Meditation--and that's the group 'Hotshot' needed info for. The next two posts will give you info about 'Centerpointe'--aka Holosynch Corboy)
To prevent confusion, I am moving the info about the NZ Centrepoint commune to a new thread)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2023 09:48PM by corboy.
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 22, 2003 09:48AM
TM has reportedly produced problems for many of its practioners--as well as being hard on bank accounts. For more information on this, please go to www.trancenet.org
Do more research before you get involved with this set up.
Among other things, go to his website and find out Bill Harris' professional credentials--if any. See too if they are current and or from reputable universities.
([www.google.com]
1) This isnt a cheap program
[groups.google.com]
[groups.google.com]
[www.google.com]
Finally there is a discussion forum for persons already using this program
[pub28.ezboard.com]
Do more research before you get involved with this set up.
Among other things, go to his website and find out Bill Harris' professional credentials--if any. See too if they are current and or from reputable universities.
([www.google.com]
1) This isnt a cheap program
[groups.google.com]
[groups.google.com]
[www.google.com]
Finally there is a discussion forum for persons already using this program
[pub28.ezboard.com]
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 22, 2003 10:03AM
This person reported some worrisome side effects while practicing Centrepoint. He chose to stop doing it.
[www.google.com]
Scroll down this thread and you'll find one person noting that listening to the Holosync/aka Centrepoint tapes provoked undesirable 'de-stressing' reactions.
*This is the term former TM's use for the anxiety and shakes they got from TM.
[www.google.com]
Another correspondant wrote:
A good number of people on the listserve reported that they or their friends liked the tapes, even saw some benefits.
But the 'spiritual pedigree' of Bill Harris is interesting.
I would not allow ANYONE to access my brain unless he or she is a credentialled mental health professional who is accountable to objective standards of ethics, has close ties to a net work of colleagues and who stays up to date on continuing education in his or her profession.
It is also safer to stick only with products that have been tested scientifically, doubled blind by researchers and have been discussed in peer reviewed journals before being released for use by the general population.
[www.google.com]
Scroll down this thread and you'll find one person noting that listening to the Holosync/aka Centrepoint tapes provoked undesirable 'de-stressing' reactions.
*This is the term former TM's use for the anxiety and shakes they got from TM.
[www.google.com]
Another correspondant wrote:
A good number of people on the listserve reported that they or their friends liked the tapes, even saw some benefits.
But the 'spiritual pedigree' of Bill Harris is interesting.
I would not allow ANYONE to access my brain unless he or she is a credentialled mental health professional who is accountable to objective standards of ethics, has close ties to a net work of colleagues and who stays up to date on continuing education in his or her profession.
It is also safer to stick only with products that have been tested scientifically, doubled blind by researchers and have been discussed in peer reviewed journals before being released for use by the general population.
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 22, 2003 09:32PM
People report problems with side effects. And--they did what appears to be an peculiar lawsuit against the old, late lamented Napster
(Corboy)
(Report from someone who used their product. )
In Reply to: Centerpointe CDs posted by milly on November 17, 2003 at 16:08:59:
[216.239.53.104]
2) Centrepoint sued Napster while it was already struggling in court with other lawsuits
[www.findarticles.com]
[216.239.53.104]
(Corboy)
(Report from someone who used their product. )
In Reply to: Centerpointe CDs posted by milly on November 17, 2003 at 16:08:59:
[216.239.53.104]
2) Centrepoint sued Napster while it was already struggling in court with other lawsuits
[www.findarticles.com]
[216.239.53.104]
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
hotshot
()
Date: December 23, 2003 05:35PM
Hey, Corboy,
Thanks for all that.
Yeah you see, I was looking into doing it myself, until I found a couple of people that had developed permanent muscle spasms/twitching, and are now having to take anti-epileptic medicine to go to sleep.
The meditation tapes go on and on about inducing alpha, theta states etc, and in these states you lose all your worries, fears, etc. But Centerpointe had a support line for those that experience , what Centerpointe likes to refer to as "OVERWHELM' where the stuff in your unconcious comes to the murky surface(which they say is a good thing)and makes you deal with it so you can get on and have a blissful easy life. haha.And the price gets dearer, and of course you keep purchasing more and more.
Bit freaky, and the support line reminded me of Landmark.
CALL US AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY!!!
:eek:
So you do the first level called Awakening Prologue,and this forces your brain into a state, that at first it will find resistant, so you have to keep listening for one hour per day, to make your brain adjust, and once your brain adjusts to this level, you go onto the next, and so on and so on.
GOD.
NO THANKS.
Thanks for all that.
Yeah you see, I was looking into doing it myself, until I found a couple of people that had developed permanent muscle spasms/twitching, and are now having to take anti-epileptic medicine to go to sleep.
The meditation tapes go on and on about inducing alpha, theta states etc, and in these states you lose all your worries, fears, etc. But Centerpointe had a support line for those that experience , what Centerpointe likes to refer to as "OVERWHELM' where the stuff in your unconcious comes to the murky surface(which they say is a good thing)and makes you deal with it so you can get on and have a blissful easy life. haha.And the price gets dearer, and of course you keep purchasing more and more.
Bit freaky, and the support line reminded me of Landmark.
CALL US AND EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY!!!
:eek:
So you do the first level called Awakening Prologue,and this forces your brain into a state, that at first it will find resistant, so you have to keep listening for one hour per day, to make your brain adjust, and once your brain adjusts to this level, you go onto the next, and so on and so on.
GOD.
NO THANKS.
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 23, 2003 10:48PM
My hunch and we need more research, is that what they call 'overwhelm' is probably what the TM people call 'destressing'.
And both Centerpointe/Holosynch may perhaps be similar:
With the best of intentions, they prescribe exercises that happen to induce CNS disruption in vulnreable people. (Read more about this on www.trancenet.org, the info site for TM)
You can read about all this in relation to TM on [www.trancenet.org]
Go there, study their material then see if this resembles Centrepointe
It is intriguing that Bill Harris started out in TM.
THis cries for further research, and a lot of caution for prospective practitioners.
Go here [minet.org]
Scroll down and read Kropinksi's 5 part article entitled a visit to the Shankaracharya--detailed discussion of MMY's lack of credentials.
He went to England in 1960, and significantly, did not minister to the emigre Indian community--they wouldve known how to fact check his claims of having a distinguished spiritual pedigree.
If you ever want to read the early history of Maharishi,
Joyce Collin Smith was his secretary for many years. She reported feeling shed been severely injured by TM. Her account of her time with Maharishi begins in Chapter 9 of her book Call No Man Master, available on Amazon.com
When you meet some Indian teacher, you have to make sure they're teaching a valid tradition, not a home-cooked brew with unknown ingredients
And both Centerpointe/Holosynch may perhaps be similar:
With the best of intentions, they prescribe exercises that happen to induce CNS disruption in vulnreable people. (Read more about this on www.trancenet.org, the info site for TM)
You can read about all this in relation to TM on [www.trancenet.org]
Go there, study their material then see if this resembles Centrepointe
It is intriguing that Bill Harris started out in TM.
THis cries for further research, and a lot of caution for prospective practitioners.
Go here [minet.org]
Scroll down and read Kropinksi's 5 part article entitled a visit to the Shankaracharya--detailed discussion of MMY's lack of credentials.
He went to England in 1960, and significantly, did not minister to the emigre Indian community--they wouldve known how to fact check his claims of having a distinguished spiritual pedigree.
If you ever want to read the early history of Maharishi,
Joyce Collin Smith was his secretary for many years. She reported feeling shed been severely injured by TM. Her account of her time with Maharishi begins in Chapter 9 of her book Call No Man Master, available on Amazon.com
When you meet some Indian teacher, you have to make sure they're teaching a valid tradition, not a home-cooked brew with unknown ingredients
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
Cosmophilospher
()
Date: December 28, 2003 05:25AM
Here is an excellent link about Marishi Mahesh Yogi the sociopath.
[www.suggestibility.org]
[www.suggestibility.org]
It is so great when people of conscience take the time to make these types of excellent websites.
Coz
[www.suggestibility.org]
[www.suggestibility.org]
It is so great when people of conscience take the time to make these types of excellent websites.
Coz
Centerpointe Awakening
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: December 28, 2003 10:32PM
Yes. If you read the chapters on in in 'Call No Man Master', Joyce Collins-Smith demonstrates that MMY was well aware, even by the late 60s, that people were becoming passive zombies as a result of practicing his method.
That was perhaps one reason in addition to greed and ambition, that MMY needed yet more followers; the zombies were not doing tasks that needed to be done to keep the office work in hand!
That was perhaps one reason in addition to greed and ambition, that MMY needed yet more followers; the zombies were not doing tasks that needed to be done to keep the office work in hand!
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