Out of Landmark
Posted by:
maurice
()
Date: February 14, 2007 09:55AM
Hi guys my name is Maurice, i'm writing from london.
I did the landmark forum in april 2005, then i left the landmark and came back in august 2006. I did a seminar, their advance course and i was in the final s.e.l.p program until monday. The program is due to finish in at the beginning of march, but yesterday night the 'leader' mentioned vaguely some 'bad media that they were trying to stop'. I was been growing insofferent of all the landmark staff and at the mention of bad coverage something clicked, googled and found out all the shit that landmark really is. i have seen the france 3 video and read this and other wesites. I felt so disgusted i hadn't slept at all. I can't believe what i got myself into, and i feel shit.
I obviusly decided immediatly to cut out of landmark and everyone related to that. Now i'm writing here in this forum (the very word forum disgust me now) because i really really need to talk to someone. I really really need to let go all the shit that i feel inside. I have a degree in literature, a good culture, i should have been able to recognise these people for what they really were immeditely. the problem is the guy that invited me to check it out is a very good friend, a friend that i held in high esteem, he just asked me to check this out open mindedly and than chose for myself AFTER the forum. I dont know to what degree i got brainwashed. i felt high and everything, but i hold on to my residual doubts and now i thank God i did.
I feel shit. I feel ashamed of myself. I felt like 'mentally raped', i don't how if that explain it. I feel the need to put this into words and talk/write to someone. I feel the need to read and read and read and exercise logic again, i feel the need to talk, discuss, listen, make question and answer to other people question. If anyone here want to say anything to me, if anyone here read this topic and want to reply i would be so grateful.
I am so embarassed. I must sound desperate. I must sound like a loser. But i can't help it. That's what i feel today - the wake up is 24 hours old, i hope to feel better tomorrow. I remember they always said that complaining is bad, it's all stories, racket, you just want to be liked, you just want to justify yourself, you just want to be the heroic victim of your own personal soap opera, it's just a passive-aggressive trick to dominate the other. Something inside of me still believes in true compassion, and to that i make appeal.
I know that i'll survive, i'll pull myself together soon, i know i'm strong, but for the time being i could use to talk to other people.
I also feel furious. part of me would like to go there next monday and tell the other people the truth and tell the leaders what i think of them. Part of me wants to just forget as soon as possible and move on. What should i do? do i owe anything to the other people still inside the landmark? is it too early for me to go get them out? is it too late for them?
I'd better close now.
I feel a little better already.
I did the landmark forum in april 2005, then i left the landmark and came back in august 2006. I did a seminar, their advance course and i was in the final s.e.l.p program until monday. The program is due to finish in at the beginning of march, but yesterday night the 'leader' mentioned vaguely some 'bad media that they were trying to stop'. I was been growing insofferent of all the landmark staff and at the mention of bad coverage something clicked, googled and found out all the shit that landmark really is. i have seen the france 3 video and read this and other wesites. I felt so disgusted i hadn't slept at all. I can't believe what i got myself into, and i feel shit.
I obviusly decided immediatly to cut out of landmark and everyone related to that. Now i'm writing here in this forum (the very word forum disgust me now) because i really really need to talk to someone. I really really need to let go all the shit that i feel inside. I have a degree in literature, a good culture, i should have been able to recognise these people for what they really were immeditely. the problem is the guy that invited me to check it out is a very good friend, a friend that i held in high esteem, he just asked me to check this out open mindedly and than chose for myself AFTER the forum. I dont know to what degree i got brainwashed. i felt high and everything, but i hold on to my residual doubts and now i thank God i did.
I feel shit. I feel ashamed of myself. I felt like 'mentally raped', i don't how if that explain it. I feel the need to put this into words and talk/write to someone. I feel the need to read and read and read and exercise logic again, i feel the need to talk, discuss, listen, make question and answer to other people question. If anyone here want to say anything to me, if anyone here read this topic and want to reply i would be so grateful.
I am so embarassed. I must sound desperate. I must sound like a loser. But i can't help it. That's what i feel today - the wake up is 24 hours old, i hope to feel better tomorrow. I remember they always said that complaining is bad, it's all stories, racket, you just want to be liked, you just want to justify yourself, you just want to be the heroic victim of your own personal soap opera, it's just a passive-aggressive trick to dominate the other. Something inside of me still believes in true compassion, and to that i make appeal.
I know that i'll survive, i'll pull myself together soon, i know i'm strong, but for the time being i could use to talk to other people.
I also feel furious. part of me would like to go there next monday and tell the other people the truth and tell the leaders what i think of them. Part of me wants to just forget as soon as possible and move on. What should i do? do i owe anything to the other people still inside the landmark? is it too early for me to go get them out? is it too late for them?
I'd better close now.
I feel a little better already.
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
ezdoesit
()
Date: February 14, 2007 11:02AM
Hi Maurice,
Here's a link to a website and organisation in London. They may be able to put you in touch with other ex-members who have left Landmark.
[www.cultinformation.org.uk]
Thanks for writing. Every bit of information you've given is valuable to help expose these scammers. Let us know if these people were able to help you.
EZ
Here's a link to a website and organisation in London. They may be able to put you in touch with other ex-members who have left Landmark.
[www.cultinformation.org.uk]
Thanks for writing. Every bit of information you've given is valuable to help expose these scammers. Let us know if these people were able to help you.
EZ
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: February 14, 2007 01:45PM
Quote
maurice
Hi guys my name is Maurice, i'm writing from london.
I did the landmark forum in april 2005, then i left the landmark and came back in august 2006. I did a seminar, their advance course and i was in the final s.e.l.p program until monday. The program is due to finish in at the beginning of march, but yesterday night the 'leader' mentioned vaguely some 'bad media that they were trying to stop'. I was been growing insofferent of all the landmark staff and at the mention of bad coverage something clicked, googled and found out all the shit that landmark really is. i have seen the france 3 video and read this and other wesites. I felt so disgusted i hadn't slept at all. I can't believe what i got myself into, and i feel shit.
I obviusly decided immediatly to cut out of landmark and everyone related to that. Now i'm writing here in this forum (the very word forum disgust me now) because i really really need to talk to someone. I really really need to let go all the shit that i feel inside. I have a degree in literature, a good culture, i should have been able to recognise these people for what they really were immeditely. the problem is the guy that invited me to check it out is a very good friend, a friend that i held in high esteem, he just asked me to check this out open mindedly and than chose for myself AFTER the forum. I dont know to what degree i got brainwashed. i felt high and everything, but i hold on to my residual doubts and now i thank God i did.
I feel shit. I feel ashamed of myself. I felt like 'mentally raped', i don't how if that explain it. I feel the need to put this into words and talk/write to someone. I feel the need to read and read and read and exercise logic again, i feel the need to talk, discuss, listen, make question and answer to other people question. If anyone here want to say anything to me, if anyone here read this topic and want to reply i would be so grateful.
I am so embarassed. I must sound desperate. I must sound like a loser. But i can't help it. That's what i feel today - the wake up is 24 hours old, i hope to feel better tomorrow. I remember they always said that complaining is bad, it's all stories, racket, you just want to be liked, you just want to justify yourself, you just want to be the heroic victim of your own personal soap opera, it's just a passive-aggressive trick to dominate the other. Something inside of me still believes in true compassion, and to that i make appeal.
I know that i'll survive, i'll pull myself together soon, i know i'm strong, but for the time being i could use to talk to other people.
I also feel furious. part of me would like to go there next monday and tell the other people the truth and tell the leaders what i think of them. Part of me wants to just forget as soon as possible and move on. What should i do? do i owe anything to the other people still inside the landmark? is it too early for me to go get them out? is it too late for them?
I'd better close now.
I feel a little better already.
Maurice,
Many of us here on the message boards have been through similar situations, either with this group or nearly identical other forms of large group awareness training groups. It actually sounds like you are doing quite well, and are having natural responses. One of the best tools is information - that is - the seeking out of as much information in all formats, text/media/audio/video, etc. - and also the free sharing of information as well. So no, I would say that you certainly do not "owe" your friends from Landmark anything, but the best thing you can give them is more information, if/when they'll listen.
Hope you are doing okay...
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: February 14, 2007 02:11PM
Also, often writing about your experiences, can help you to figure them out, and deal with them.
As mentioned, learning and reading can be helpful as well, when you figure out what they did to you, and how they did it.
Seeing a registered therapist could be helpful, if they have "cult" experience, which most don't. But it still might help.
On the plus side, its amazing that you figured out these people were scamming you, and got the hell out. Sometimes people can get locked into these things, and spend thousands, and waste 10+ years of their lives.
I think educating onself is the best revenge, and understanding what these people do to people.
You were victimized by Werner Erhards brainwashing technology, and Werner Erhard is a sociopathic scumbag.
Its good to know that the video helped some actual people. That video actually seemed to have begun to be publicized in this forum.
[board.culteducation.com]
good luck, keep reading and writing...that's my view..
Here is the GETTING HELP link.
[www.culteducation.com]
As mentioned, learning and reading can be helpful as well, when you figure out what they did to you, and how they did it.
Seeing a registered therapist could be helpful, if they have "cult" experience, which most don't. But it still might help.
On the plus side, its amazing that you figured out these people were scamming you, and got the hell out. Sometimes people can get locked into these things, and spend thousands, and waste 10+ years of their lives.
I think educating onself is the best revenge, and understanding what these people do to people.
You were victimized by Werner Erhards brainwashing technology, and Werner Erhard is a sociopathic scumbag.
Its good to know that the video helped some actual people. That video actually seemed to have begun to be publicized in this forum.
[board.culteducation.com]
good luck, keep reading and writing...that's my view..
Here is the GETTING HELP link.
[www.culteducation.com]
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
sonnie_dee
()
Date: February 14, 2007 04:29PM
Well done for getting out. I reiterate what others have said but the best way to get "over" landmark is to re-educate yourself. to relearn the every day meanings of the words they use in landmark. It takes a lot to get their language out of your mind and it is the language that has one of the greatest holds over you and you links to landmark.
Reading back some of the older posts on this site can give you some ideas on what to do to re learn things
Good luck
Reading back some of the older posts on this site can give you some ideas on what to do to re learn things
Good luck
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
joe6
()
Date: February 15, 2007 04:42AM
> part of me would like to go there next monday and tell the other people the truth
maurice, most important is to heal yourself. In the future though, if you speak French, you may want to help translate the rest of the France 3 video. Or better yet, to communicate with France 3 to get official permission to post the video on Google Video or You Tube.
Good luck with your recovery.
maurice, most important is to heal yourself. In the future though, if you speak French, you may want to help translate the rest of the France 3 video. Or better yet, to communicate with France 3 to get official permission to post the video on Google Video or You Tube.
Good luck with your recovery.
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
maurice
()
Date: February 15, 2007 05:12AM
i do understand french, plus my flatmate is frech, i could transalte the rest of the video with no problem, but i can't get to find the full version to download. i checked emule et similiar but so far i only found copies of the part 1
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
Maggie
()
Date: February 15, 2007 07:25AM
I agree with "The Anticult" -- write about it and post it on a blog!
It will be therapeutic for you and informative for anyone else thinking of joining and searching for the terms "LANDMARK FORUM!"
Maybe by your experience you can help others.
It will be therapeutic for you and informative for anyone else thinking of joining and searching for the terms "LANDMARK FORUM!"
Maybe by your experience you can help others.
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: February 17, 2007 05:06AM
[www.bloomberg.com]
[b:925e97c1e3]Motivation Biz Insanity: Is Any Speaker Worth $50,000 an Hour? [/b:925e97c1e3]
By Joan Oleck
Feb. 16 (Bloomberg)
[b:925e97c1e3]Motivation Biz Insanity: Is Any Speaker Worth $50,000 an Hour? [/b:925e97c1e3]
By Joan Oleck
Feb. 16 (Bloomberg)
Quote
A lot of what they do, he thinks, is ``a sideshow -- clumsy, hyperbolic entertainment. But then, well, something brings you up short. Or someone.''
Cross-Country Tour
Black keeps us chewing on that possibility as he escorts us on a cross-country tour of motivational speakers and organizations. He interviews life coaches and joins Toastmasters.
He signs himself up for the Landmark Forum, a large group- awareness motivation training where he finds mostly intimidation and dictatorial rules from a leader who scornfully informs the attendees they're allowed to use the restroom, ``but then you might miss something.''
Out of Landmark
Posted by:
MartinH
()
Date: February 18, 2007 04:09AM
Hi maurice,
from my experience, don't worry to much. Stop feeling guilty or something, you have done nothing really wrong :wink: . Just try to find out what might have been positive about the landmark experience and move on, focus on important projects and enjoy stable friendships.
And soon it is all history ...
from my experience, don't worry to much. Stop feeling guilty or something, you have done nothing really wrong :wink: . Just try to find out what might have been positive about the landmark experience and move on, focus on important projects and enjoy stable friendships.
And soon it is all history ...
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