| 1/26/90 | Ex-Employee Sues est for $2 Million | San Francisco Chronicle| Don Lattin |
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| 1/7/90 | Heidegger for Fun and Profit | NY Times| |
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| 5/28/89 | Erhard went from encyclopedia sales to marketing 'it' | Palm Beach (Florida) Post | |
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| 1/9/89 | Employers' 'New Age' Training Programs Lead to Lawsuits Over Workers' Rights | Wall Street Journal | Martha Brannigan |
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| 6/17/88 | Karma for Cash: A "New Age" for Workers? | Christianity Today| Steve Rabey |
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| 5/15/88 | Werner's World Of Wonders | San Jose Mercury News | Mark MacNamara |
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| 5/1/88 | Guru II: the return of Werner Erhard | Los Angeles Magazine p106(9)| Mark MacNamara |
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| 3/1/88 | EST Leaders Recharge the Batteries of a New Clientele | The New York Times E7 | Mark Landler|
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| 2/1/88 | Feeding a Myth The Hunger Project has raised millions & critcs wonder where $ went | uptheCreek | Andrew Simons |
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| 1/1/88 | Getting it and Losing It| SCP Journal Vol, 8:1 | Carol Giambalbo |
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| 1/1/88 | The Forum: est in the heir | SCP Journal Vol, 8:1 | Carol Giambalvo |
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| 1/1/88 | The Hunger Project: Inside Out | SCP Journal Vol, 8:1 | Carol Giambalbo w/ Robert |
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| 11/1/87 | The Dumb EST Plan To End Hunger | Willamette Week p4 | Bill Redden |
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| 11/1/87 | Trying To Bend Managers' Minds | Fortune p95(6) | Jeremy Main |
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| 5/4/87 | Corporate Mind Control | Newsweek| |
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| 3/1/87 | Est Gets Dressed for Success | Venture | Robert Bell |
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| 2/20/87 | A workout at the Forum: you can faint, cry - even vomit | The Gazette (Montreal) | |
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| 2/20/87 | Tough Policy Urged In Report on Cult Threats in Israel| The Jewish Floridian | Hugh Orgel |
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| 2/20/87 | Hunger Project' involves no food, just a taste of 'commitment' | The Gazette (Montreal) | Caitlin Kelly |
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| 1/1/87 | est Revisited | New Woman | Neil Chesanow |
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| 10/12/86 | Werner Erhard once sold instant enlightenment to confused people. Now he's peddling | San Francisco (CA) Examiner | Mark Dowie |
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| 6/1/86 | Checking up on est | Cosmopolitan p232(5) | Ralph Gardner Jr.|
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| 5/16/86 | The reincarnation of est| Christianity Today p21 | |
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| 11/18/85 | The winds of Werner (w/ side bar on the Hunger Project) | Forbes p42(4)| Richard Behar & Ralph King Jr. |
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| 10/1/85 | A Critique of "The Forum" | The Cult Observer | Carol Giambalvo |
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| 4/1/85 | Werner Erhard | Interview p54(3) | John Duka & Kezia Keeble |
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| 9/24/84 | His Wife & Former Followers Question the Human Potential of est Guru Werner Erhard | People Weekly p41(2) | Maria Wilhelm |
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| 12/1/82 | The moral logic of alternative religions | Daedalus p185(29) | Steven M. Tipton |
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| 9/1/80 | No Sacred Cows ($1.2million to race cars through a non-profit,tax exempt company) | Mother Jones p14 | |
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| 8/22/80 | The Business of Teaching Children They're in Charge of Their Lives | New York Times D15| Nadine Joseph |
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| 7/28/80 | est takes crash course in film | New West p5(1) | Laura Bernstein |
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| 4/7/80 | Est Experiment Splits Rural Town | Daily Pilot (Costa Mesa CA)p A26 | |
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| 3/29/80 | Running hurts, but oh, that est | Boston Globe p.1 | Susan Slavet|
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| 12/26/79 | The Hunger Project and est: close ties | Christian Century p1293(2) | David Hoekema |
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| 11/25/79 | Scientologist Plot Revealed | Denver Post p47 | |
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| 7/23/79 | est's Big Wheel Werner Erhard proves team effort is "it", but winning would feel even | People Weekly p38(2) | Allan Ripp |
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| 5/6/79 | Est Spinoff Takes Over Nursing Home | Our Town (WestChester NY) p3| |
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| 5/5/79 | est's secret weapon (R. Buckminster Fuller) | Science News p300(2) | Susan West |
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| 4/11/79 | Tax Report/A Special Summary and Forecast of Fed&State Tax Developments | Wall Street Journal | |
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| 4/1/79 | The thousand dollar consciousness | Mother Jones p6 | Dan Noyes |
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| 2/3/79 | Bad Vibes From est | Saturday Review p7| |
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| 12/1/78 | Let them eat est (the Hunger Project) | Mother Jones p40(10) | Suznne Gordon |
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| 11/6/78 | Hunger Project nourishing est? | New West p8 | |
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| 10/8/78 | Project Aims To Foster Awareness of Problem | Sunday Star Ledger (N.J.) p56 | Scott Minerbrook |
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| 10/1/78 | The indescribable experience (Erhard Seminars Training) | Human Behavior p14(2) | |
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| 9/8/78 | There's a Famine in the Hunger Project | Philadelphia Daily News| Pete Dexter |
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| 8/23/78 | Est Participant Dies | Daily Pilot (Costa Mesa CA) A5 | |
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| 7/24/78 | What Has est Done for Us Lately? | New York p29(6) | Barbara Grizzuti Harrison |
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| 7/23/78 | Est Participant Dies | Costa Mesa CA Daily Pilot | |
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| 6/1/78 | Obervations on 67 Patients Who Took Erhard Seminars Training | Am J. Psychiatry 135:6 | Justin Simon, M.D. |
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| 5/5/78 | Group Works To End World Hunger | Denver Post | George W. Cornell|
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| 3/1/78 | Methodology for studying discrimination based on sexual orientation | Journal of Homosexuality p235 | Lilestrand, Petersen, Robert, |
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| 2/1/78 | Dissertation-Reported changes in personality, self concept, and personal problems | CA School of Prof. Psychology SD | Jeffrey A. Weiss |
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| 1/14/78 | EST Graduates claim myriad benefits - researchers find psychological dangers | Science News p27(2) | Joel Greenberg |
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| 1/1/78 | Werner Erhard The Transformation of a Man: The Founding of est 158 E67zbar c1978 | Book-Werner Erhard| William Warren Bartley, III|
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| 10/10/77 | Werner Erhard Thinks He Can Feed the World | The Village Voice (N.Y.) p1 | Alexander Cockburn&James |
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| 5/9/77 | est-erical behavior? (psychoses inducing) | Newsweek p95 | |
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| 4/24/77 | Psychosis Reported In Some Who Took Awareness Training| New York Times | Jane Brody |
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| 3/1/77 | Psychiatric Disturbances Associated with Erhard Seminars Training I. A Report of Cases | Am J Psychiatry 134:3 | Glass, Kirsch, Frederick and |
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| 2/13/77 | Shredding of Records at IRS Office May Endanger Major Tax Fraud Case | L A Times | David Johnston |
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| 1/21/77 | The serpentine serenity of est | Christianity Today p13(3) | Kevin Garvey|
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| 1/14/77 | We're all OK - probably | Philadelphia Inquirer | Dorothy Storck |
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| 1/1/77 | Getting It: The Psychology of est | Book | Sheridan Fenwick Ph.D.|
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| 1/1/77 | You are what you est | Playboy p109 | Dan Greenburg |
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| 1/1/77 | How est didn't change my life| Redbook p47(4) | Judith Viorst |
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| 1/1/77 | The Book of est | Book | Luke Rhinehart, |
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| 11/10/76 | Secular salvation: life change through | Christian Century p981 | John Ruskin Clark|
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| 9/6/76 | Getting Your Head Together | Newsweek p56 | Kenneth L. Woodward |
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| 8/1/76 | Books: salesman of serenity | Psychology Today p62 | Colin Campbell |
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| 6/1/76 | Behind The Couch | Today's Viewpoint | Mark O. Freeman Ph.D.|
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| 6/1/76 | Est Finds Success in Crowded Self-Help Field By Charging Steep Fees, Abusing Customers | Wall Street Journal p36| Roy J. Harris Jr.|
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| 5/20/76 | est Is An Individual Thing | Main Line Times (Radnor, PA)| |
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| 5/2/76 | Pay attention, Turkeys! | New York Times Magazine p44 | Leo Litwak |
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| 3/19/76 | Fuhrer over est | New Times p36| Jesse Kornbluth |
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| 3/8/76 | How to Stop Worrying and Learn the Love the ESTablishment | The Village Voice (N.Y.) p10| Terri Schultz |
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| 2/10/76 | EST-Can It Make You Happy? | Circus Issue #127 p45 | Stan Mieses |
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| 12/29/75 | In the wake of TM and Zen, a former encyclopedia huckster is the smooth guru of est | People p60 | |
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| 12/1/75 | Power of positive eyewash | Forbes p22 | |
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| 10/1/75 | Est! Est! Est!| Mademoiselle p174 | Lisa Schwarzbaum |
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| 10/1/75 | New narcissism| Harper's p45 | Peter Marin |
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| 8/1/75 | We're Gonna Tear You Down and Put You Back Together" | Psychology Today p35 | Mark Brewer |
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| 8/1/75 | The Case for est | Psychology Today p38 | Richard P. Marsh |
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| 2/17/75 | Getting it | Newsweek p46 | Linda Bird Francke and others |
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| 10/18/74 | Does Werner Erhard have the answer? | New Times p39| Marcia Seligson |
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| 1/1/61 | Thought Reform And The Psychology of Totalism (especially Ch. 22&23) | Book | Robert Jay Lifton, M.D. |

I'll quote Harry Rosenberg again:

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In the United States, we have altered the public conversation about our workand our enterprise. For example, it is no longer possible for informed people or publications to pin pejorative labels on us.

In the anti-cult world there's no question where Landmark and Erhard stand. However, in the rest of the world I'd say Rosenberg is right and, for now anyway, Landmark has won this battle.

If one wants to be persuasive, I'd recommend honing arguments to best Landmark's rather than assuming that everyone already knows that Landmark is a cult. They don't.

Jack,

:rolleyes:

I love you.
You really are adorable.

How long you gonna play your game?

Guy

Doesn't seem to matter to some people how many times the evidence has been recounted, how many testimonies given, how many personal horror stories come out, how high the mountain of information is, how many bodies have piled up, or how many scholarly and forensic studies are published, there are always people willing to shut their eyes and cover their ears. Like you, for instance. Landmark, and all the other copy-cats, have made lots and lots of money because this is so. They are thrilled there are still people like you. You are sadly deluded and an involvement with Landmark will amplify that into a psychotic depression if you give them a chance. (And they will blame it on you and you will probably agree because the depressed usually over-estimate their own contribution to their problems.)


Ellen

I've been through the web pretty thoroughly about Landmark and cult issues. There is little that Elena or anyone can post here that I haven't seen before. And I've recently argued that Landmark is a cult in a pro-Landmark group, so I know the definitions and arguments quite well.

So please give up the idea that I'm naive or uninformed. It would be nice too if people gave up the mindreading and ad hominems. I got plenty enough of that in the Landmark group already, thank you.

No, I'm not some weird Landmark undercover guy. I did est twenty-odd years ago, and I did the Forum and the Advanced Course recently. I was impressed by that Landmark can still pack a surprising punch. And yes, I liked what I saw enough to sign up for the SELP course in January.

However, I'm bothered by the Landmark manipulations so I hold back. In the online Landmark group I spoke about the cult issue partly because I find it interesting and partly because I wanted to see if it were possible to dissent publicly on a key Landmark issue. I got the usual deflection counterattacks which set off my internal alarms.

I came to this group because I was excited by Guy's and gc's posts in particular and some of the others. However, except for gc, I don't notice much room for dissent in this group either.

JackSF ponders:

>>I came to this group because I was excited by Guy's and gc's posts in particular and some of the others. However, except for gc, I don't notice much room for dissent in this group either.>>




Who's stopping you? Or hindering your dissent? What IS your point, anyway?

"Cult," "cult-like," "sorta like a cult," "does some of the same things cults do," "employs cult-type mind control," "acts like a cult"???

So what? No cult member thinks he is one. Go ahead, give them your money. Who's to say? There may be some people who are improved by a trip through cult land. You may be one of them.



Ellen

The issue of Landmark being called a "cult" is really something of a "straw man" argument.

Experts have said repeatedly that Landmark is not a cult. Note Lifton's basic definition in "Cult Formation."

See [www.culteducation.com]

Landmark lacks "a charismatic leader who increasingly becomes an object of worship," Jack Rosenberg aka Werner Erhard is off in the Caymans with his girlfriend.

Only through a broader more general definition could Landmark be called a "cult."

See [www.culteducation.com]

What causes so many people to see landmark as a "cult" or "cult-like" is its seminar structure and dynamics, which easily fits within the context of what Lifton calls "thought reform."

See [www.culteducation.com]

This is the destructive element of the group and also the seemingly essential core of its success.

rrmoderator, gc4602 -- Thanks for the substantive posts.

elena -- To me room for dissent in an online group means being able to post views different from the group yet respectful without being harassed with ad hominems, mindreading, sarcasm etc. Yes, I can continue to post here--as I can in the Landmark group--but past a certain point what's the point. When I see people routinely respond to disagreement with abuse, while others sit on their hands, I see it as another groupthink, cult-like environment. It's not attractive. Except for gc, I'm not being treated any differently here than I was by the Landmark group except that the Landmark group was more polite.

You ask, what's my point? As I've said more than once, Landmark doesn't like to be called a cult, yet they are vulnerable on this point. They have worked very hard, primarily through lawsuits, to avoid this. My suggestion to people on this board is that they continue to hammer on the cult issue, but do it intelligently, in terms of existing definitions and Landmark's attempts to sidestep them.

>What used to drive the powers that be the most insane when I was on
>staff is that my opinions/thoughts/beliefs/values cover a very wide
>spectrum

gc -- You are a man after my own heart. I will read anything you post on Landmark avidly.

My position on Landmark has shifted due to what I've read here and in the pro-Landmark group. I'm still not sure how I'll handle SELP next month. If there is an "opportunity to leaven" I may well take it.

Jack,

Hammer away, buddy.
:D
We're waiting.....
:o

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JackSF

You ask, what's my point? As I've said more than once, Landmark doesn't like to be called a cult, yet they are vulnerable on this point. They have worked very hard, primarily through lawsuits, to avoid this. My suggestion to people on this board is that they continue to hammer on the cult issue, but do it intelligently, in terms of existing definitions and Landmark's attempts to sidestep them.