Landmark Forum vocabulary
Date: February 01, 2007 12:34AM

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ON2 LF
Be careful in dealing with your boss. She is driving with landmarkian goggles covering her eyes, nothing appears to her as it does to you, and the notion of being fair or courteous will not apply...don't expect to be treated professionally in the earthly sense of 'professional'
....and remember that snakes leave true landmarkians alone out of professional courtesy...Is your boss a true landmarkian?

Yes, I am trying to be very careful with her. Can you tell me, what do you classify as a true landmarkian?

Landmark Forum vocabulary
Posted by: ON2 LF ()
Date: February 01, 2007 09:36AM

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Can you tell me, what do you classify as a true landmarkian?

My personal classification of a 'true landmarkian' is one who has allowed such a huge part of their conscience to be shut down, devalued, or silenced that they no longer care who they use, manipulate, or walk on to reach the goals they have set for themselves in accordance with landmarkian doctrines and measures of success.
These standards and expectations are typically materialistic, egocentric, and unrealistically ambitious. Basically, a true landmarkian would sell out their grandmother to get what they want for themselves personally, and even more so for the demands landmark places on them.
The non-real landmarkian will sooner or later begin to feel remorse and disgust for selling out their grandmother, and themselves.

Landmark Forum vocabulary
Posted by: Jack Oskar Larm ()
Date: February 01, 2007 11:42AM

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My personal classification of a 'true landmarkian' is one who has allowed such a huge part of their conscience to be shut down, devalued, or silenced that they no longer care who they use, manipulate, or walk on to reach the goals they have set for themselves in accordance with landmarkian doctrines and measures of success.
These standards and expectations are typically materialistic, egocentric, and unrealistically ambitious. Basically, a true landmarkian would sell out their grandmother to get what they want for themselves personally, and even more so for the demands landmark places on them.
The non-real landmarkian will sooner or later begin to feel remorse and disgust for selling out their grandmother, and themselves.

You're also describing many in the corporate world. I'm thinking Gecko from the movie, Wall Street. No wonder Landmark is so successful - they've found the materialistic obsession our CULTure holds so dear and gives it a mighty push forward.

Sad, really.

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Jack, I think the word "commit" through up a flag for me because I never heard her speak that way before. I don't want to leap to conclusions, that won't help anything, but I don't want to be naive, either. Sometimes it seems like I'm walking a very fine line these days with her. I also think she may be frustrated at this point because every recent attempt to get staff to attend an introductory meeting has failed. I have to leave for work soon, so I can't get into my conversation with her about it earlier this month. Later, I will give a description. I'd like to get everyone's take on it, and my response.

Changes in behaviour are good indicators. I think as ON2 LF suggests, the change in behaviour will be strongly goal oriented. There's no denying that a large part of our way of life is ME, ME, ME and organisations like Landmark justify this even further. I believe there's a kind of morbid hope that sooner or later these individuals will explode like over-inflated balloons! :!:

Landmark Forum vocabulary
Posted by: ON2 LF ()
Date: February 01, 2007 12:25PM

these people are having more melt downs than they are exploding but they still somehow trust that the 'easy come, easy go' type of lifestyles offered by mass media and leeches like landmark, are really [b:b0a09e5acb]real[/b:b0a09e5acb] and are really going to open up as magically as a combination lock does.
In its most basic model, landmark sells a combination lock to its customers and begins a never ending training on how to get that combination lock to open. The activities involved in the endless training are never questioned as long as that combination feels like it may open any second....
how do you confuse a landamarkian? Tell them to find a corner in a round room... 8)

Re: Landmark Forum vocabulary
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 02, 2020 09:31PM

Another specimen of Landmark jargon "Too confronted"

In response to Gloria~

"They made me feel bad for being disturbed by their seminar."

Yes, they will say that you are "too confronted" and can't handle it, or that you don't want to face your "stuff." In reality, we are not willing to accept their abuse, but they try to keep you in the program by making you feel like a coward if you leave.

Re: Landmark Forum vocabulary - "Too confronted"
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 02, 2020 09:35PM

In response to Gloria~

"They made me feel bad for being disturbed by their seminar."

Yes, they will say that you are "too confronted" and can't handle it, or that you don't want to face your "stuff." In reality, we are not willing to accept their abuse, but they try to keep you in the program by making you feel like a coward if you leave.


Landmark Education Jargon list from a CEI message board participant

[forum.culteducation.com]

Landmark Vocabulary List from Wikiversity

[en.wikiversity.org]

Re: Landmark Forum vocabulary - "Too confronted"
Posted by: kdag ()
Date: March 03, 2020 08:26AM

corboy Wrote:
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> In response to Gloria~
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> "They made me feel bad for being disturbed by
> their seminar."




Yes, corboy, I believe that what followed was one of my replies, ("Yes, they will say that you are "too confronted" and can't handle it, ...").

To elaborate a little further, the implication is that the participant is not honest enough to face him/herself, or to admit their own flaws either to themself or others. Another "possibility" for interpretation is that the participant has reacted to "new" information or interpretations of reality, and is too close-minded to even consider it. And here, I will digress, a little:

I was very open-minded - willing to listen to just about any point of view. But, when i am presented with the argument that a five-year-old who has been molested cannot be considered a "victim," i can very quickly reject it. Landmark adherents state that they only want you to be open-minded and listen, but in reality, they want acceptance of all they present. No matter how many times they repeat "This is not the truth," they will push it as such until you behave as if it is.

I didn't - and i said so. That's how I got into trouble.

Back to the original point: this is just another example of their projection, or "flipping the script." They accuse the participants of being dishonest or manipulative, when everything they do is infused with dishonesty, manipulation. and inauthenticity.

As is so often the case, there may be a grain of truth for them to latch onto. They use our minor inauthenticities against us, and exploit them to no end:

You went to an introduction; invited by a friend. Your friend was obviously very invested that you got something out of it, so you say that you did, (even if you felt that you wasted your time). It's inauthentic, but we all do that. We are trained socially from a very young age. They know that we will do that, and that becomes the first hook...

Yes, I was inauthentic; "Well, yeah, sure, i can see how this has great value, blah, blah, blah..." But you have to look at intent. It was my intent to not hurt my friend's feelings. It was important to her. My inauthenticity was relatively benign.

Contrast that with the intent of Landmark. From where i sit, it appears that all they want is to talk people out of their mental health and psychological sovereignty, (not to mention their money, if they have any). That so-called "popping" is nothing but the breaking of your will. It's nothing new. I'm sure it's been happening in POW camps all over the world since the beginning of time.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/03/2020 08:44AM by kdag.

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