Considering the Forum???
Date: February 27, 2003 06:49AM
<<Uniform dress code.
Weekly conformity meetings.
Daily phone calls.
Shifting trust to the leader or "captain" and your inner circle.
Same anxiety raising games.
Sleep deprivation during workshop weekends.>>
Social psychology has a theory. Its name escapes me at the moment; but essentially if you can get someone to do a small--seemingly harmless--thing for you, then that person will be much more likely to do the next larger thing for you and so on....And once these precedents are set up, we tend to justify subsequent congruent thoughts and behaviors and resist thoughts and actions that are contrary to them.
<<I did not understand what was happening until a friend who was disaffected from Scientology spelled it out for me. And, the owner of this training workshop started using her power to break up my personal relationship. As sick as it is: these people who own these companies are very sick emotionally. I had her diagnosed as an "injured narcissist". So was Adolph Hitler, by the way. The world revolves around them. They will do anything - ANYTHING - to be right - to be the center of their universe. Control. Lie. Anything. Hitler's case: kill.>>
Yes, that observation is congruent with post-forum behavior that I have witnessed elsewhere.
<<But the training works on an emotional level otherwise nobody would sign up. It's what they do with the emotional handbag they create for you that is dangerous. Only sophisticated people can see through this and even then it takes some education. Educate. Be compassionate. You cannot punish anyone for not seeing through this charade. At some point: they will have the same sick feeling the German soldiers had after the war was over. They participated in something that was dangerous and hurts people.>>
Yes experience has shown that emotions play a huge, and often the only, role in how we make our decisions therefrom from which we try to make intellectual justifications later. How something or someone makes us feel often trumps any logical arguments to the contrary, and thus it makes a highly effective way to manipulate people. Boy, could I tell you a "how to" on that one; but I don't want to give anyone any new ideas to inflict on unsuspecting forum/similar wannabees.
You're right though about it being futile to argue with them, for people only appreciate truth when they realize it for themselves. You never forget it then, for it becomes second nature. I'll never forget where I was when the "one hand clapping" answer seemed to fall out of the sky and into my head. Experience has taught me that people do not appreciate things, or people for that matter, that/who are too easy.
I don't mean to sound punitive against the individuals who so the forum. I understand and even empathize with all the hurting people who are seeking something; but I bristle at the phonies who peddle this stuff trying to say that what they have experienced somehow trumps serveral centuries worth of scientific empirical method, and that we should simply ignore expert opinions and listen only to them. This may be someone's first exposure to such a forum, and as a result they may form their most significant and persistent opinion about LEC for the rest of their life. Also like, Northern lady, or whatever her alias was, I feel we need to inoculate ourselves since these LEC types are amazingly good at making their assertions sound extremely reasonable and desirable. For weeks I thought that I was the crazy one after my friend essentially said that if I didin't accept the forum then I don't accept her. Rick Ross may not have just saved me my money.
I don't appreciate how the proponents of the Landmark forum act in a huff like everyone is supposed to accept their anecdotal evidence to be as valid as scientific evidence. It isn't. Yet when someone sound so totally positive about something and acts like it too, it's easy for the uninformed to accept what they say as truth. I feel people need to know that as far as science is concerned anecdotal evidence is worthless. That's not being "mean" or "intolerant" like some LEC boosters insinuate elsewhere like at the Delphi forum or others (never here though to my experience thankfull to any significant degree) or simply come right out and say it. It's not being mean. It's just being a smart shopper. But when one is in the thrall of an emotional orgasm I guess you cannot expect them to discuss something rationally or logically.
Regardless, after their theft of my best friend I consider Landmark Education Corporation a vile and insidious inf-EST-ation that needs to be eradicated via its most lethal pesticide: KNOWLEDGE. My anger may boil over a bit at times and make me sound a bit harsh; but I essentially agree with what you said. I admire the fact that these forum attendees at least had the initiative to try to do SOMETHING about their lives instead of just whining and doing nothing. There is SO VERY MUCH to know and so little time to learn it. Sometimes we have to take chances, re-examine our assumptions and try another strategies. It's a pity though that the pre forum attendees weren't exposed to the many plagiarized yet perfectly helpful psychological techniques used by landmark but without all the bs and manipulation landmark mixes in with them. Now these same individuals understandably might assume that landmark was responsible for the creation of these many powerful and helpful psychological techniques, and understandably they will be offended when someone(s) like me criticizes landmark and thus seems to belittle the very-real benefits that they derived therefrom. I concede that they may very well have derived some help from participation in the forum. But I still contend that they could have gotten the same benefits elsewhere without all the self-serving manipulations of Landmark and its acolytes.