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p2pnet.net News Special:- We recently ran two items focusing on Landmark Education. The first quoted the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) which said Landmark is using alleged copyright infringements as a way to stifle free speech. The second was from Landmark and attempted to discredit the first.
But there's an excellent earlier post from Rick Ross on Cult News which gets right down to details. It's dated October 29, but Ross tells us he's expecting to run a follow-up in the near future.

For now, below is the first Cult News item, Why did Landmark Education leave France?:

Two new news articles:

Cult News on Landmark Education
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Landmark Ed, EFF, negotiations
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And the video is downloadable at
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And more info at
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Google faces legal challenges over video service

By Eric Auchard
Reuters
Friday, November 10, 2006; 9:55 PM

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Google Inc.'s (GOOG.O) video service faces at least one copyright infringement lawsuit, the company confirmed on Friday, and the Web search leader faces a separate subpoena tied to the service.

Copyright infringement has become a hot topic as pirated video from TV, films and music videos has proliferated across the Web. Google runs its own service known as Google Video and last month agreed to buy video site YouTube for $1.65 billion.

Investors are concerned that Google could be financially liable for videos appearing on sites it runs, while the company has said it did not face financial recriminations if it acts quickly to take down copyrighted material once alerted to it.

A report on the Online Media Daily site said the lawsuit, which was filed in France, is seeking 150,000 euros ($193,000). It is related to a documentary video that appeared on Google Video, the media industry site said.

"This is a small lawsuit over a single video that appeared briefly," Google spokesman Ricardo Reyes said in a statement.

"We have procedures in place that allow copyright owners to tell us if their content is placed on Google Video without authorization. When we receive appropriate notice, we quickly remove the content from Google Video," he said.

The lawsuit came to light on Wednesday in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing in which Google listed Google Video among a number of businesses that were subject to legal action. It gave no details in the quarterly report. The Google spokesman declined to confirm further details of the suit.

Separately, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a technology rights advocacy group, said subpoenas had been sent to Google Video, YouTube and a third video site, seeking to identify who posted a controversial documentary to the Web.

The subpoena involved a documentary film that aired on French TV in 2004 that was critical of Landmark Education, also known as the Landmark Forum, or simply "The Forum," according to a statement on the EFF's site.

EFF spokeswoman Rebecca Jeschke said she was unaware of any tie between the Google Video lawsuit and the subpoena. Her organization is siding with Google Video, YouTube and the Internet Archive in seeking to quash the subpoena.

Google declined to comment on whether there was any connection.

The film, entitled Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous (Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus), was produced by a French TV news program, Pi?ces Conviction. It features hidden camera footage shot inside a Landmark Forum event in France and a panel discussion on whether or not the organization is a "cult."

The video was posted on Google Video, YouTube and the Internet Archive, among other Web locations. Landmark's subpoenas seek to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to force Google Video and others to identify who posted the film.

Landmark, which was founded in 1991, is a descendant of the 1970s motivational guru Werner Erhard's EST training seminars.

Landmark describes itself as an organization devoted to personal and organizational effectiveness. More than 850,000 people had participated in its programs in more than 20 countries, according a statement by the company in late 2005.

Calls to Landmark's corporate office and general counsel in San Francisco as well as a spokeswoman in New York were not returned.

Landmark's legal department must be staffed with Zombies.
Is Landmark is actually suing Google in France over that video?
Or is that someone else?

Google removed the video as soon as Landmark sent them notice. It was up for what, a few days?

Landmark's actions have ended up pushing this story into REUTERS and the WASHINGTON POST!
Reuters!
That is where every news org in the world gets their news feed!
And they have linked this video to the Google YouTube deal, and lawsuits, which was the #1 tech story globally a few weeks ago!

So this is now going to make [b:859b8ad973]global mainstream news,[/b:859b8ad973] and perhaps hundreds of thousands of people are now going to want to see that "forbidden video"!

Here is the free advertising...
SEE THE DAMAGING VIDEO THAT LANDMARK DOES NOT WANT YOU TO SEE!
then everyone wants to see it!

All thanks to Art Schreiber and his frivolous attacks...

That's probably why...
"Calls to Landmark's corporate office and general counsel in San Francisco as well as a spokeswoman in New York were not returned."

They were hiding in the bathroom crapping themselves that Reuters was on the phone! More bad PR for Landmark.

Well, if whoever did post that video gets sued, don't worry. The EFF will defend him, and if his names leaks out, he is going to be WORLD FAMOUS, as the guy who was first attacked by frivolous lawsuits over YouTube.
He'll be a internet HERO!

Get this info posted on YOUTUBE type blogs and sites. It will spread like wildfire.
Lets get more on Slashdot, and make it about PRIVACY PRIVACY PRIVACY.
This story could be as big as the record industry suing grannies.
This is the new Napster scandal......

Right now, this is the #1 Tech story on this Reuters site!
Above Blackberry, PS3, and Britney divorcing by text message!

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That is f-ing amazing!

WOW, just checked main site...
[b:38b804c758]THIS IS THE #1 TECH STORY ON WWW.REUTERS.COM
This is the #1 Tech story in the world, right now![/b:38b804c758][/color:38b804c758]


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Anticult is right.

If someone were to make this an actual article on [b:aed4adba30]Slashdot[/b:aed4adba30] and [b:aed4adba30]Fark[/b:aed4adba30] and the like (with a link to below), it would drive TONS of people to download the torrent from the piratebay site and watch the video:

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Before Landmark made all this fuss, there were about 20 total downloads of the video, and it wasn't even that popular at all outside of this board.

Landmark and Art Schreiber have instantly increased the popularity of the video, and I might add, of the Pieces a Conviction television program and France 3. It's free positive publicity of their superb investigative journalism skills all over the world!

Here is the email address of the writer of that article.

Eric Auchard
eric.auchard@reuters.com
+1 415 677 3919

For those with insider info, you could send him some short, accurate, technical info about this story, for his follow up pieces.
Keep it short, accurate, with full factual references.

He's a tech writer, but he might put in some "cultish" stuff, which could lead to more articles.

Was the Landmark video first talked about in this Forum, and by members here? If so, then we can gain good publicity for this forum as a type of "blog" that broke an important news story. People need to learn more about LGAT's and these types of cultish corps.

Does anyone know who [b:13afcdffce]first [/b:13afcdffce]was commenting about the Landmark video?
If so, lets get the [b:13afcdffce]dates[/b:13afcdffce], and [b:13afcdffce]links [/b:13afcdffce]organized.
Then we can put together a little "press package" and send it to Reuters, NYT, Washington Post, Wall St Journal, etc.
Then, perhaps they will origin the story here.

Did the story first start in this forum, or on Usenet, or a blog? Anyone know, and have the links?
I think that is newsworthy.

From this post, it looks like it was broken first here, yes:
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This video take you inside Landmark Forum with
a hidden camera so you can see what they do to you
while you have rested and have time to think ..
something you are not allowed in the Forum

Show your friends now so they can know it
when someone tries to make them go

First it went up on YouTube, then Internet Archive, then Google Video, then Daily Motion, then the CAIC site.
The thread continues.

Here is a post by "astagiaire" about the YouTube posting, from 09-26-2006 09:53 PM
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Was this the first one?

I seem to recall a YouTube user named something like "astagiaire"...
ok, just checked.
This is the same username being attacked by Landmark.
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They name a YouTube user "Astagiaire" as posting the videos, and this is who they are after in that case.

Landmark claims "Astagiaire" posted the video clips on Sept 24, 2006 on "the web". That must mean YouTube.
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The video was posted by the YouTube user named "Astagiaire", but of course [b:4c92e98b62]this does not mean the poster here and the YouTube poster are the same person.[/b:4c92e98b62]

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Maybe once this is resolved, then whoever posted that video on YouTube will be able to go public, if he/she wants to.
They are a HERO for freedom of speech on the internet, and they are being harrassed by Landmark, and at least they have the EFF to help them.

That Landmark video is a "landmark" and is now public domain, forever.

Here is a link to the first post about the Google video. So no question, part of the origin of this news story is here.
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In ONE HOUR, this story went from one single story, to 85 NEWS FEEDS, on Google news.
Like I said, its global news, and the top Tech-Biz story, due to the Google, YouTube lawsuit.

I predict the stories will go into the hundreds on Google news, even into the [b:0111ff60cd]thousands[/b:0111ff60cd].


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