Hi Everyone,

I am very interested to know if anyone is aware of the statistics or studies
of criminal hehavior after experiencing PTSD from attending a LGAT.

I have noticed during my research on past Money and You Graduates and other LGATs that some have gone on their merry way to become successful i.e. their version of success, and years down the track engaged in criminal behavior.

Why is that?

Somewhere along the way their moral compass, if they had one to begin with, got skewed.

Another interesting observation. The ones who have made it to the top of that LGAT are immune to accountability. Even if they are reported they get away with it. However if a graduate is caught they feel remorse and pay the price of their crime.

I suspect money, the thing most worshipped by them, gets them out of trouble. Best lawyers etc
In the case of Keith Raniere NXIVM not even a team of lawyers could save him.

There is power in class actions.



Feedback is welcomed.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2025 03:08PM by Wiser Aussie.

Hello! With regard to your question, if you think about what is taught- essentially creating your own reality (a lot of “The Secret” is used in these seminars) you now create the world around your ideas and behaviors. Someone who has a stronger moral fiber or ethical standard, will likely not cross the line into criminal behavior because they know it’s wrong. But take someone who is lacking in those characteristics now believing this idea - for example: someone with poor personal boundaries may now find that sexual assault is ok because they believe it to be so in “their reality.” They have mentally shifted the line from “acceptable in society” to “acceptable to them” due to their lack of that moral integrity.
These courses are very enticing to those who are already narcissistic at heart. Most leaders are supreme narcissists and their behaviors have been with them throughout their lives. They may show more of this personality disorder after attending these as they are enabled and encouraged by those who are like them. They’ve found “their people” so to speak.
Most people with good morals may veer down the path for a bit but tend to turn around as the cognitive dissonance between what they know is right and what the seminars teach creates internal conflict.
I think it’s more rare to find normal healthy people switch to more severe criminal behaviors after these classes which is a good thing!

Hello crback22,

Thank you for your reply to my question. It's makes perfect sense. Manipulating people for money or to do the seminar did not feel right. The internal conflict to do the right thing by my moral standards is exactly as you described. It was at that crossroad that I decided to leave.

That internal conflict was the fear or block we were taught to push through, because it was holding us back from success.. However in reality one was only going against self. The self being the most precious thing. As soon as you lose self due to this manipulation, you are lost. These people are in the business of turning graduates into clones of them. Slaves to their agenda.

As for the narcissists you described, making money at all costs by any means, loose boundaries and morals, is more important. It's a measure of success. The curriculum works. It must be hard letting go of all that manipulation, as its provided so much of the success, greed and power they've craved for.

Your explanation has provided much clarity.

I don't know that particulars of what was taught in the LGAT you attended, but i was in Landmark. What they taught there was that all societal norms were "made up," by other humans, and so not real. They would say, for instance, that there is really no such thing as marriage, as it was made up by humans, (and therefore it was okay to cheat on your spouse. Out of the other side of their mouths, they would harp on about integrity and keeping your word).

It doesn't take much of a stretch to see how they would also apply this argument to the concepts of business contracts, property rights, lying, cheating and stealing. They wouldn't even allow someone to say that they were raped, or molested as a child. If someone would relate such an incident, they would be interruoted by the Forum Leader, who corrected the narrative to, "something happened between you and that person," and then usually add, "there are no victims." The victim would sometimes then be instructed to apologize to the perpetrator.

When this world view is considered, it's not hard to see how someone inclined to commit a crime, in the first place, would use this new "philosophy" to excuse or justify pretty much anything.