impact apologist: "but it is their last resort...how can you be so uncaring?"
civilized thinking: Well, It is unacceptable that a minor should be buddied with an adult member of the opposite sex, period.
It is unacceptable for a minor to be hugging adult strangers.
I could go on and on, but this above is enough.
Thanks Vicki for your perspective. Let me clarify a couple of points and hopefully someone out there with some legal experience can answer the questions regarding legal issues as well.
I didn't think that Impact was being advertised as a 'last resort' option, and they go on about not being mental health profesionals . So I'm not sure how that would be an argument. Who says that teens go to these things because they are in trouble? I went because it looked exciting.
I also don't think hugging is bad - let me make that clear. HOWEVER - when it's taught "pee pee to pee pee" I'd say that's more than unappropriate, and quite frankly a doorway for pedophiles, (and in the case of married trainees), to sexual misconduct. You can't skip this part of the training. Physical contact with the others in the group is PART of the training, they don't modify anything for minors. Therefore, it should be for adults only if they should choos to participate.Here is the question
, IF there is a permission form to be signed, because the training is "secret" no parent would know about these exercises and would be unknowingly subjecting their child to this. (let's skip the cult bit for a sec - because some people don't know what LGAT's are and they are usually blindsided by friends and family whom they 'trust') So how can this be more of a legal issue? Would in this case Legislation be appropriate?
I was taught by a wise and experienced person that in dealing with *people there is a difference between 'Sacred' and 'Secret' Things that are Sacred
, (by definition dealing with god or dedicated to a religious purpose) are not talked about because they are treated with reverence, etc but are not shameful or in anyway make you feel badly. Secret's
in dealing with people are never good, secrets are used to cover lies, shady business, or to hide deviant behavior. As Impact is not claiming to be a religion - and they aren't non-compete contracts - well that leaves them under the latter description. Sometimes their arguments sound like one a pedophile would use. (The mental condition they use is absolutely that of an abuser.) There argument for not telling people is flawed. If the training works it should work weather you know what's coming or not. Furthermore, in the case of minors, I wouldn't let my kid walk through that closed door without having the right to supervise what's going on in that room. PERIOD.
Perhaps unveiling the SECRET will remove the power of the cult behavior that results in this training. I think the secret is what gives them the power to control them - just as in sexual abuse it is the victims keeping of the secret that gives the abuser the power to continue to abuse. Do you see where I'm going with this?
*I say people so no one will start arguing the morality of col. Sanders 'secret' recipe or 'top secret clearance' etc. It's off the topic - so don't do it. lol