Passoniate,

>.Impacted, I like you may still be around at Impact to keep tabs on what is going on so it can be properly dealt with. I am not a recent grad.
<<

It was dazed and confused who wrote to you about being a recent grad. :)

I agree, what Sally does not know anything about those closest to her . . .

Those who are truly a stand for The Light and not using an illusion of light to pretend to cover up her power games, manipulation, distrust, financial misdeeds, illicit affairs . . .

Well, her "discernment" about such things is clearly a joke.

Again, two admonitions for them:

1) Those who do not learn (from history, especially their own history) are doomed . . .

2) The Truth will set you free.

And the truth will come out. Because the Universe is designed for Learning. Learning cannot occur in the absence of Truth.

Hans! Sally! Pamela! Justin! Ward!

You are each at choice. Either Be authentic -- nothing hidden, confess and repair the relationships you have damaged/destroyed by your lies, theft and dishonesty -- Or hear that truth coming, not out of your mouth, but from a chorus around you.

Truth will not allow you to continue as you have in your history forever.

You know there are eternal consequences.

Hans, for example, can either turn to heal the damage he has done, pay all the past unpaid bills, restore the integrity of those he has slandered, ask for forgiveness from those he has raped emotionally, financially and in other ways -- clean all that up now;

or he can spend all eternity in a feedback arc that he himself has designed and created right here.

His choice.

Sally's too.

If they listen, I'm sure they can hear those voices in that arc already. Others around them certainly can!

:)

Formerly Impacted (meaning Formerly full of their "crap")

With all of the talk about the trainers and staff I was doing some snooping on the internet. Impact may have taken down their trainers page, but I did find pictures of them all with their profiles on zoominfo.com

I was able to look up Pamela Bushman, Ward Bushman, Sally Berger, Hans Berger, Jackie Christiansen, Val Andreason, David Berger, Justin Atkinson, Terri Smart, and Jim Condie. I can't remember his name, but there is someone who basically took Val's place. I'm pretty sure he was engaged to one of Hans's daughters and I think his profile is probably there, too.

Yes his name is Brian. He married the daugher and went through the courses. He now walks around with the same I-AM-better-than-you look on his face. During his own Ropes weekend he was walking around taking pictures instead of focusing on the events and supporting his buddies. Hans and Sally encouraged this - like hes better then the rest and isnt held to the same standard by the trainers and owners.

Sorry about the misquote earler.

Spiritual? and Passionate,

Here's the link to the page about Impact Trainers (that they don't want us to see/removed from the impacttrainings site) that has been cashed at zoominfo.com


[tinyurl.com]

Please use Tinyurl if you post a link this long.

Thanks, EZ[/color:b49f966f92]


And here's the information from there (minus the photos, with a few notes):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hans J. Berger

Co-Founder and Co-Director of the Impact Trainings

Lead Trainer for Impact Trainings for 21 years

Trains the Quest, Summit, Lift-Off, Trainer in Training, Couples & Commitment training, and Men's Training trainings

Originator of the Trainer in Training program

Director of the Mastery Training Curriculum Development

Outdoor Facilitator for Ropes Training and other teambuilding events
Married with four children

Hans J. Berger has found the essence of himself. His passion, his QUEST, and his purpose have made him a man with a cause. He believes in the principal of personal challenge and responsibility, and teaches the power of positive change.

He has traveled a long road since his youth in East Germany during World War II. There, he became accustomed to bombings, hunger, and death. The cessation of the war brought little relief from the hunger he had learned to live with. For a period of time, it was impossible for Hans' family to buy food and each day, he and his brother would gather stinging nettle from the fields to make soup for the family. After hours of gathering stinging nettle, Hans' mother would prepare a single meal consisting of a stinging nettle soup and one potato that the family divided.

With the influx of Russian troops, he eventually escaped from East Germany with his family. While crossing the border into West Germany, Hans' family drove through a mine field, fearing all the while that the boarder guards would shoot them. When they reached West Germany, guards welcomed the family with open arms. The guards were smiling openly and expressing love to strangers – two things Hans had never seen people do in public before.

Hans spent the next five years of his childhood living in a refugee camp, sharing a single room with twenty other people. In 1959, Hans – still a teenager – immigrated to America with only sixty dollars to his name. Alone and not knowing a word of English, he picked up odd jobs in order to make ends meet. Eager to learn, Hans quickly taught himself English by listening to women talk as they shopped in the local grocery stores.
The memories of his background have aided Hans in his quest for life's meaning and have guided him in assisting others. He has learned to be happy and he knows that God has given us the capacity not only to choose our happiness, but also to create our destiny.

The knowledge that everyone can make a difference has motivated Hans to actively involve himself in serving others. Having seen the effects of human choices on mankind, he developed the Impact Trainings, featuring the Quest, Summit, and Lift-Off trainings. These trainings release the ability to become more aware of the choices we have available, and to look upon each new day as a blessing and each hour as an opportunity to learn. Impact Trainings assists people in developing new beginnings, learning from each moment, enjoying each event in their lives, and removing the negative patterns of the past.

When Hans enters a room, within seconds you know you are in for a most insightful, powerful, and "to the point" experience. Never will you meet a more open, direct, loving, and intuitive trainer. No one compares to his "interaction" in the training room and he instantly creates an environment of breakthrough and trust. He empowers each person to fill their lives with the continuous, unending joy, and to hold all life's challenges as an opportunity to learn lessons. You don't want to miss a single second of his insight and wisdom.




Sally Berger

Co-Founder and Co-Director of the Impact Trainings

Trainer for Impact Trainings for 21 years

Originator of the "Family Unity Series", including the Teen training, Youth and kids trainings, Family training, and Impactful Parenting.

Co-Director of Curriculum and Marketing

Trains Lift-Off, Couples & Commitment, Inner Woman I & II, Trainer in Training, Teen Quest, Teen Summit, and Teen Lift-Off

Previous owner/director of private pre-school and kindergarten for 15 years

Worked with public school system training teachers, students, and administrators

Married with 4 children

Sally has an amazing ability to connect with you as if you were a life-long friend. She is outgoing, perceptive, genuine, warm, and authentic. Sally brings a combination of enthusiasm and knowing into every training room and with her sharp wit and intelligence, she is a powerful facilitator. Each student feels like they are her "only student" – a very rare gift.




Justin Atkinson (NOTE: Their son-in-law. Married to one of Hans and Sally's daughters)

Trains Quest

Works with various community youth groups including scouting and athletic teams

Married with three children

Justin is clear, to the point, and incredibly focused in his training style. He passes on insight and knowledge succinctly and clearly. Justin is sharp and quick with his insights, combined with a real sense of power, love, and passion. Quite simply, students feel it is a privilege to be in Justin's training room and an honor to know him.




Pamela Roberts (NOTE: Formerly Pamela Bushman)

Trains Quest, Summit, Lift-Off, Trainer in Training, Inner Woman I and II, and the Singles training

Co-Director of Curriculum Development

Mother of two married sons

Quite simply, Pamela is deeply genuine, powerful, and most insightful. She is incredibly present as she empowers every student to trust themselves, love themselves, and claim their life's purpose. She passes on her insights with love, clarity, and creativity. With Pamela in charge, you are in for a major "growing" experience. She is an outrageous, exciting, caring, loving, and a dynamic trainer. Her humor and upbeat style are contagious and her deep insights leave you joyfully celebrating life.




Terri Smart (Note: As of August 2007, apparently no longer employed or associated with the Impact Trainings.)

Summit and Lift-Off trainer

Graduate Staffing Captain

Graduate Office & Service Liaison

Graduate Service liaison

Guest Presentation Facilitator

Mother of two adult children

Terri is empowering, perceptive, and filled with endless energy and life. With a combination of enthusiasm and perception, she empowers Impact graduates to step up into their lives with a clear intention to serve each other, their world, and the planet.




Darren Leighton

Ropes Course Specialist and Facilitator

Lift-Off enrollment coordinator

Guest Presentation, Lift-Off, Men's Training and Teen Quest Facilitator

Business Training Facilitator

Married with four children

Darren is magnetic. He is the perfect person to talk with when learning about the value of the Impact Trainings because the training is so much a part of his life. He is charismatic, passionate, full of energy, laser sharp, and an inspiration to everyone he meets.




Ward Bushman (NOTE: Son of Pamela Bushman Roberts)

Corporate Operations Director

Outdoor Ropes Course Specialist and Trainer

Staffing Coordinator

Graduate Liaison

Married with three children

Ward is multi-talented and spreads enthusiasm in whatever he takes on. He is sharp and quick with his insights. Ward knows he can "move mountains", and he truly does. Knowing that "service is the highest form of love", he powerfully teaches graduates to step up into service on their personal journey of transformation. Ward is awesomely powerful as he inspires major learning through service. Never will you meet a more committed and compassionate man.




David H. Berger (NOTE: Son of Hans and Sally Berger)

Outdoor Ropes Course Specialist

Quest Enrollment Coordinator

Trains Ropes Course and other teambuilding events

Trains Guest Presentations

Graduate Liaison

Married with one child

David is outgoing, perceptive, and genuine. Every interaction with him is an opportunity to learn and share excitement and insights about life. Through his love and playfulness, coupled with a deep caring and wanting the best for every person, he creates an atmosphere of safety and trust. Wherever David goes, there is clarity and infectious enthusiasm.




Jackie Christensen

Trainer in Training Enrollment Director

Trainer in Training Staffing Coordinator

Graduate Service Coordinator

Married with three children

Jackie inspires with confidence and compassion. She is committed to sharing the value of the Impact Trainings every where she goes. Her ideas are powerfully expressed as she continually serves the Impact Graduates with honesty and love. She has an amazing ability to instantly connect with others.




Steve Christensen

Outdoor Ropes Course Facilitator

Trainer in Training Operations Coordinator

Website specialist

Married with three children

Steve knows that every interaction is an opportunity to learn. He is powerful, effective, and deeply caring. Wherever he goes, he creates an atmosphere of safety and trust. Steve is intensely committed to "be" the change he desires in the world.




Shannon K. Woody (Note: As of August 2007, apparently no longer employed or associated with the Impact Trainings.)

Trains Lift-Off, Youth, and Guest Presentations

Graduate Enrollment Liaison

Youth Training Facilitator

Married with four children

Shannon's deepest desire is to be a trainer who empowers each student to "be" all that they are created to be. She instantly creates an environment of breakthrough and trust. Shannon is deeply passionate about life, music, and her connection to every human being. Graceful, yet playful, Shannon is crystal clear, awesomely powerful, and inspiring.




Jim Condie (Note: As of August 2007, apparently no longer employed or associated with the Impact Trainings.)

Director of Business Training Marketing

Lift-Off Coordinator

Summit enrollment coordinator

Webmaster and Website Design

Ropes Course Facilitator

Married with five children

Jim has continued excitement around everything he does. He is intelligent and sharp with never-ending creativity and enthusiasm. Jim's genuine belief is that life is meant to be lived to the fullest and empowers all to new levels of courage and success.




Bryan Pierson (Note: Another son-in-law of the Bergers.)

Outdoors Ropes Course Specialist

Guest Presentation Producer

Married with two children

Bryan is a living example of clear intention and creates a ripple effect with everyone he comes in contact with. He is a charismatic mentor and a beacon of light and energy. He is multi-talented and spreads enthusiasm in whatever he takes on and is always on the move creating and inspiring service and productivity in all areas of the Impact Trainings.

Yeah I looked that up but I didnt have a paid subsciption to the site - or whatever it required to get more info. I guess money will buy just about anything on the internet. The Impact web site used to have all this info with pictures - probably the ame info you posted here. Why did they remove it?

One correction though - I was under the impression that Justin was no longer a son-in-law of Hans.

Passonate,

>>Yeah I looked that up but I didnt have a paid subsciption to the site - or whatever it required to get more info. I guess money will buy just about anything on the internet. <<

I was able to get to the cashed webpage without subscribing to zoominfo or paying any money.

I copied and reposted the info here to be sure it remains available in the future too.

>>The Impact web site used to have all this info with pictures - probably the same info you posted here. <<

The zoominfo.com cashed page was an exact copy of what was on the impacttrainings.com website under "about us." I think it said it was cashed in late April 2007.

>>Why did they remove it? <<

Good question. Maybe their webmaster is one of the ones who left and the new guy didn't have the expertise to rework the page, but did know enough to just delete it.

Also Harmony/Great Life does not have any information about their trainers on their page at all. Maybe Impact felt they should keep the trainers more "mysterious" as well.

>>One correction though - I was under the impression that Justin was no longer a son-in-law of Hans.<<

Should have put "Former son-in-law"

Seems Hans and Sally have a bunch of those. :)

>>ttp://tinyurl.com/2p9fl6

Please use Tinyurl if you post a link this long.

Thanks, EZ <<

EZ,

Thanks for fixing that. Will do. I've never heard of tiny url before. That's great.

Impacted.

Under personal profiles on zoominfo (do a person search instead of a business search), Sally Berger is described as a "Powerful Facilitator". True, if she means the facilitation of mental rape, brainwashing, narcissism, deception, humiliation, loss of identity, ostracism, covert persuasion, and sociopathic behaviors, then "powerful facilitator" is a gross understatement.

I have watched my family undergo a very real and horrible process of recovering from Sally's "Powerful Facilitations", and so if she does read these pages, know you have done REAL harm in REAL people's lives, to their self esteem, identity, spirituality, emotions, and physical health. You have "facilitated" the very things you say you cure. So by all means keep your self proclaimed title, just change the connotations.

my 2 cents

Justin still is the son in law.

Sally's discernment is judgement.

A WARNING TO ALL IMPACT GRADS, GREAT LIFE GRADS
(and others looking for alternatives to Impact):

After seeing first hand the lack of integrity at Impact (IRS problems, lawsuits, lies, affairs, etc) many former Impact participants (and former employees) spend a lot of time looking for a "clean" version of the Impact Trainings.

I've heard from several Impact folks who, seeing the current issues there -- issues that led Terri and Shannon and others to leave recently -- that they are now looking for a "clean" version of the training and want my advice.

They report looking for a company that pays its bills on time, treats its office staff with respect, makes payroll on time, and runs a powerful training inside the training rooms with out all the new-age, Wiccan, magical, anti-LDS, BS that's become TIT I, II and III.

Some folks after leaving Impact, think they can find that very thing at The Great Life Foundation run by Jason Orvis, Steve and Pam Juback and trained by Bret Harward and Analee McDonald. JJ Lybertt, Hans and Sally's former trainer and son-in-law is also there, training ropes and enrollment weekends and doing other stuff.

RUN as FAR from this training as you can.

If anything it is even more evil, disfunctional, and deadly to its participants than Impact.

Steve and Pam are nothing more, or less, than far less competent incarnations of Hans and Sally. Bret Harward has a history of exceedingly questionable business practices as well. Look into it before assuming anything!

Steve and Pam too have a long history of IRS problems (including Steve's wages being subject to garnishment -- which is why Pam is the only one "paid,") (how's that for integrity?), borrowing money from and not repaying others, not paying bills -- and seem to have little interest in the trainings beyond proving themselves "right" nad "justified," and Hans and Sally "wrong."

Their personal lives and those of their children and family are a total mess. THAT should be a key "fruit" to discerning the effectiveness of any of these trainings.

(How come the traner's children of so many of these companies are always so messed up? Unemployable? In trouble with the law? In jail? Grossly overweight? Dead from drugs? ) Those are their primary results.

Do some research if you must -- the kind of research you wish you had done before jumping into Impact.

BUT DO NOT ASSUME THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY ONCE FIRED "fired" Hans, Sally, Pamela, Justin et al, back in August 2001 (when they were still known as the Harmony Institute) that they in ANY, any, any way run a cleaner version of these trainings.

Either pay another heavy price to find that out -- one likely to be far heavier than the price you paid to learn the truth about Hans, Sally and Impact . . .

Or

Trust me. They don't.

Impacted