Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
bakkagirl
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Date: June 29, 2018 07:29PM
in this forum encountered a person name "Vikki Brock" in any of the above organizations.
I am asking because this individual produced a dissertation on the 'origins of the coaching field' that seems calculated to promote W.E.
This grounded research studies contains numerous research fallacies of the type I would expect from a Landmarkian.
Ring any bells?
I am asking because this individual produced a dissertation on the 'origins of the coaching field' that seems calculated to promote W.E.
This grounded research studies contains numerous research fallacies of the type I would expect from a Landmarkian.
Ring any bells?
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: April 06, 2019 12:34AM
bakkagirl Wrote:
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> in this forum encountered a person name "Vikki
> Brock" in any of the above organizations.
>
> I am asking because this individual produced a
> dissertation on the 'origins of the coaching
> field' that seems calculated to promote W.E.
>
> This grounded research studies contains numerous
> research fallacies of the type I would expect from
> a Landmarkian.
>
> Ring any bells?
1. Werner Erhard is all over her website as a form of hagiography of him.
2. And Vikki Brock is quoted on the Werner Erhard website as a fawning form of adulation about him.
She says on the Werner Erhard website:
VIKKI BROCK Coach, Consultant and Facilitator
“I credit Werner Erhard as one of the founders of contemporary coaching. Werner Erhard introduced the idea of transformation in the early 1970s through his est courses which opened people’s minds to the possibility of their growth and potential."
Vikki Brock seem to tacitly omit and ignore the psychiatric disturbances in EST training, history of litigation, and the Landmark Education litigation archive.
[culteducation.com]
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> in this forum encountered a person name "Vikki
> Brock" in any of the above organizations.
>
> I am asking because this individual produced a
> dissertation on the 'origins of the coaching
> field' that seems calculated to promote W.E.
>
> This grounded research studies contains numerous
> research fallacies of the type I would expect from
> a Landmarkian.
>
> Ring any bells?
1. Werner Erhard is all over her website as a form of hagiography of him.
2. And Vikki Brock is quoted on the Werner Erhard website as a fawning form of adulation about him.
She says on the Werner Erhard website:
VIKKI BROCK Coach, Consultant and Facilitator
“I credit Werner Erhard as one of the founders of contemporary coaching. Werner Erhard introduced the idea of transformation in the early 1970s through his est courses which opened people’s minds to the possibility of their growth and potential."
Vikki Brock seem to tacitly omit and ignore the psychiatric disturbances in EST training, history of litigation, and the Landmark Education litigation archive.
[culteducation.com]
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
bakkagirl
()
Date: April 06, 2019 11:12AM
Yes, thank you, I am aware of Ms. Brock's unbridled enthusiasm for Erhard.
You might be interested to know that via a grounded research-based study, conducted in an unaccredited university, and never peer-reviewed, Ms. Brock was able to create an epistemological solar system (the coaching field) with Werner Erhard positioned as "Sun King".
You might be interested to know that via a grounded research-based study, conducted in an unaccredited university, and never peer-reviewed, Ms. Brock was able to create an epistemological solar system (the coaching field) with Werner Erhard positioned as "Sun King".
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: April 07, 2019 03:26AM
bakkagirl Wrote:
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> Yes, thank you, I am aware of Ms. Brock's
> unbridled enthusiasm for Erhard.
>
> You might be interested to know that via a
> grounded research-based study, conducted in an
> unaccredited university, and never peer-reviewed,
> Ms. Brock was able to create an epistemological
> solar system (the coaching field) with Werner
> Erhard positioned as "Sun King".
What was the unaccredited university?
Do you have a link to where she referred to Werner Erhard similar to a "Sun King"?
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> Yes, thank you, I am aware of Ms. Brock's
> unbridled enthusiasm for Erhard.
>
> You might be interested to know that via a
> grounded research-based study, conducted in an
> unaccredited university, and never peer-reviewed,
> Ms. Brock was able to create an epistemological
> solar system (the coaching field) with Werner
> Erhard positioned as "Sun King".
What was the unaccredited university?
Do you have a link to where she referred to Werner Erhard similar to a "Sun King"?
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
bakkagirl
()
Date: April 07, 2019 04:41AM
International University of Professional Studies
She uses a methodology that enabled her to survey the opinion of many 'coaches' associated with Landmark Education, as to who was their greatest influence, or who had exerted the greatest on the field, and then drew the inevitable conclusion based on their responses. The "Sun King" positioning is clear from relationship charts she develops to support her dissertation results.
She uses a methodology that enabled her to survey the opinion of many 'coaches' associated with Landmark Education, as to who was their greatest influence, or who had exerted the greatest on the field, and then drew the inevitable conclusion based on their responses. The "Sun King" positioning is clear from relationship charts she develops to support her dissertation results.
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
ajinajan
()
Date: April 07, 2019 08:32AM
bakkagirl Wrote:
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> International University of Professional Studies
>
> She uses a methodology that enabled her to survey
> the opinion of many 'coaches' associated with
> Landmark Education, as to who was their greatest
> influence, or who had exerted the greatest on the
> field, and then drew the inevitable conclusion
> based on their responses. The "Sun King"
> positioning is clear from relationship charts she
> develops to support her dissertation results.
In the March 3, 1991, program of 60 Minutes, "Werner Erhard", the employees of Werner Erhard recount,
"We were told to surrender to him as 'Source' - I think that's idolatry."
Does this pattern of the "Sun King", sound similar, so many years later, to the same behavioral mentality of a god king?
See also source:
"60 Minutes" broadcast about Werner Erhard
A News Summary/August 26, 2009
By Rick Ross
[culteducation.com]
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> International University of Professional Studies
>
> She uses a methodology that enabled her to survey
> the opinion of many 'coaches' associated with
> Landmark Education, as to who was their greatest
> influence, or who had exerted the greatest on the
> field, and then drew the inevitable conclusion
> based on their responses. The "Sun King"
> positioning is clear from relationship charts she
> develops to support her dissertation results.
In the March 3, 1991, program of 60 Minutes, "Werner Erhard", the employees of Werner Erhard recount,
"We were told to surrender to him as 'Source' - I think that's idolatry."
Does this pattern of the "Sun King", sound similar, so many years later, to the same behavioral mentality of a god king?
See also source:
"60 Minutes" broadcast about Werner Erhard
A News Summary/August 26, 2009
By Rick Ross
[culteducation.com]
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
bakkagirl
()
Date: April 07, 2019 09:17AM
Query:
Do you think worshippers of modern "Sun Kings" would be capable of, say, harassing in a systematic fashion, individuals who question the divinity of their master?
Do you think worshippers of modern "Sun Kings" would be capable of, say, harassing in a systematic fashion, individuals who question the divinity of their master?
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
landmarkreporter
()
Date: June 27, 2019 01:36AM
Hi! I'm a true crime writer/reporter from LA working on a project on Landmark Forum and in search of sources. Specifically, I'm looking at the effects that Landmark Forum may have on mental illness; for example, the case of Jason M. Weed, who killed a man during a psychotic break he believes was triggered by his participation in Landmark Forum.If anyone is willing to talk about their experience with Landmark Forum (personally or with loved ones who've become involved), please reach out. I can provide anonymity! Please reach out if you are at all willing to learn/share more — you can PM here or email me at nilecappello@gmail.com.
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
ellenaaa
()
Date: August 04, 2019 07:51AM
From alt.fan.landmark
Old News
8/8/17
On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:18:30 PM UTC-7, tubby wrote:
> An Exclusive Opportunity
> to Review the Advanced Course
>
>
> Have you heard the news? The Advanced Course has been updated and is more powerful than ever!
Whoa! Ever....
This course, which features numerous new enhancements, will “rock your world” with its startlingly unique and groundbreaking power.
Wait, really?
Out of participating in this course, you will create and live a life and a future of your own design.
Uhhh...
"Men make plans and the gods laugh."
As part of that, you will:
> • Develop a facility for recognizing things as they really are—distinct from your hopes, preferences, and fears.
Wait...I thought we just got an offer to discard that stuff and ~create~ a "life," blah, blah, blah.
> • Step outside familiar and habitual ways of thinking to invent whole new perspectives and approaches that lead to new ways of being and acting.
Doesn't this sound like an invitation to schizophrenia?
> • Design a future from the future, not limited by the past.
Great, if you have a criminal or otherwise troubled history, I guess.
> • Move the notion of possibility from an abstract idea to a day-to-day living reality.
Mmmm....Abstract into concrete. Yeah! Bring it on.
> In the Advanced Course, you will be authentically intrigued and challenged, and inspired by who you really are.
Wait, what if I really am a criminal, idiot, stooge, fool, creep, bore, boor, sociopath, numbnut, clown, con-artist, intellectual light-weight?
>
> And, in this course, you will also have lots of fun.
How so? Entertaining ~things as they really are~?
>
> As a graduate of the Advanced Course, we are offering you the opportunity to review the course and experience the numerous new enhancements at an invitation-only discounted rate. With this email, you can participate for only $305 ($305 in savings!), regularly priced at $610. Register for any open Advanced Course or call 03 9699 7888 by 16 September 2017 to take advantage of this offer, and reference the invitation code: ACERAE
>
>
> Next Available Advanced Course in Your Area*:
>
> Date: 18, 19, 20, Aug. and the evening of the 22nd
> Location: Landmark
> 151 Sturt Street
> Suite 2
> Southbank, VIC 3006
> Phone: 03 9699 7888
> Discounted
> Tuition:
> $305 for Reviewers only
> ($610 regular Reviewer price)
Yikes, these creeps are still peddling this stuff?
Ellen
Old News
8/8/17
On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:18:30 PM UTC-7, tubby wrote:
> An Exclusive Opportunity
> to Review the Advanced Course
>
>
> Have you heard the news? The Advanced Course has been updated and is more powerful than ever!
Whoa! Ever....
This course, which features numerous new enhancements, will “rock your world” with its startlingly unique and groundbreaking power.
Wait, really?
Out of participating in this course, you will create and live a life and a future of your own design.
Uhhh...
"Men make plans and the gods laugh."
As part of that, you will:
> • Develop a facility for recognizing things as they really are—distinct from your hopes, preferences, and fears.
Wait...I thought we just got an offer to discard that stuff and ~create~ a "life," blah, blah, blah.
> • Step outside familiar and habitual ways of thinking to invent whole new perspectives and approaches that lead to new ways of being and acting.
Doesn't this sound like an invitation to schizophrenia?
> • Design a future from the future, not limited by the past.
Great, if you have a criminal or otherwise troubled history, I guess.
> • Move the notion of possibility from an abstract idea to a day-to-day living reality.
Mmmm....Abstract into concrete. Yeah! Bring it on.
> In the Advanced Course, you will be authentically intrigued and challenged, and inspired by who you really are.
Wait, what if I really am a criminal, idiot, stooge, fool, creep, bore, boor, sociopath, numbnut, clown, con-artist, intellectual light-weight?
>
> And, in this course, you will also have lots of fun.
How so? Entertaining ~things as they really are~?
>
> As a graduate of the Advanced Course, we are offering you the opportunity to review the course and experience the numerous new enhancements at an invitation-only discounted rate. With this email, you can participate for only $305 ($305 in savings!), regularly priced at $610. Register for any open Advanced Course or call 03 9699 7888 by 16 September 2017 to take advantage of this offer, and reference the invitation code: ACERAE
>
>
> Next Available Advanced Course in Your Area*:
>
> Date: 18, 19, 20, Aug. and the evening of the 22nd
> Location: Landmark
> 151 Sturt Street
> Suite 2
> Southbank, VIC 3006
> Phone: 03 9699 7888
> Discounted
> Tuition:
> $305 for Reviewers only
> ($610 regular Reviewer price)
Yikes, these creeps are still peddling this stuff?
Ellen
Re: Question -- has any est, Landmark Forum, Landmark Education Survivor
Posted by:
kdag
()
Date: August 10, 2019 03:22PM
Ellenaaa - yes, and just as nasty and vile as ever. These people are pure evil.
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