While enduring the last coaching 'conference' I have attended, or will attend, I pressed a pencil to paper and made a (.) every time I heard the term "coaching culture"...there were hundreds of (.'s) on the paper by noon of the second day, when I left.

This is my first post to CEI forum but have been lurking for several weeks. (side note: I found this forum after doing some Googling about Byron Katie. I had previously spent many hours watching her videos on her YouTube channel, reading some of her books. I have never been to a School for the Work retreat or any live event with Katie. Anyway, I saw Katie do the work with a woman during a live event on June 7, 2018 (I saw it online) in Ojai, CA, It was disturbing how Katie minimized the woman's exposure to emotional/psychological abuse by a romantic partner. The video isn't up on her YouTube channel or else I'd link to it. It's probably in her FB page which I have since unfollowed. This forum has been very helpful in disentangling me from BK.

I am a longtime meditator in the Zen tradition, and a regular attendee at a Zen center in my town. Our resident teacher has a side gig as a "coach" and I know from talking with him that he is trained in NLP. I have searched for him on the International Coach Federation site and luckily, he's not listed. He also now has a fitness coaching gig that uses NLP to help people get over any mental blocks they have over exercising. Can someone suggest some good reading or vids about NLP. Is it nefarious? Should I be concerned about his embrace of NLP?

Thanks in advance!

Hi there,

Thanks for your post, thoughts, questions.

First of all, I have lived in Japan for many years and have no idea who Byron Katie is, but will investigate.

Second, I have a pretty good handle on the Zen tradition in Japan, having interned in a Zen facility, here, was pretty immersed in it for a time...am also legally-trained, U.S. law school, and have done a fair amount of mediation in workplaces. Which is to say, I have absolutely no idea what a "mediator in he Zen tradition" would do. Please tell me more about what you do.

I worked very hard in my coaching practice, work mostly with CEO's...have to deal with leadership issues, organizational issues in globalizing organizations, very complex. I had no idea, really, what life coaching was until I started seeking HELP for what was wrong with my field, in general, in this forum.

On NLP, I am not an expert, but know enough to have significant reservations about 'coaches' who employ this 'technology'. A lot of serious research says it is JUNK SCIENCE, but, NLP acolytes disagree. I tend to mistrust any magical solution to personal growth, and, it seems to me that NLP practitioners are often offering magical solutions -- my take.

bakkagirl






This is my first post to CEI forum but have been lurking for several weeks. (side note: I found this forum after doing some Googling about Byron Katie. I had previously spent many hours watching her videos on her YouTube channel, reading some of her books. I have never been to a School for the Work retreat or any live event with Katie. Anyway, I saw Katie do the work with a woman during a live event on June 7, 2018 (I saw it online) in Ojai, CA, It was disturbing how Katie minimized the woman's exposure to emotional/psychological abuse by a romantic partner. The video isn't up on her YouTube channel or else I'd link to it. It's probably in her FB page which I have since unfollowed. This forum has been very helpful in disentangling me from BK.

I am a longtime meditator in the Zen tradition, and a regular attendee at a Zen center in my town. Our resident teacher has a side gig as a "coach" and I know from talking with him that he is trained in NLP. I have searched for him on the International Coach Federation site and luckily, he's not listed. He also now has a fitness coaching gig that uses NLP to help people get over any mental blocks they have over exercising. Can someone suggest some good reading or vids about NLP. Is it nefarious? Should I be concerned about his embrace of NLP?

Thanks in advance!

Hi bakkagirl,

I sit for about 25 min. in meditation every morning and attend weekend retreats from time to time. My Zen center comes out of the Korean Zen tradition. During our regular practice periods, we have a chanting ceremony, walking meditation, and of course, sitting. Our resident teacher stresses "shikantaza" which you have likeley practiced or heard of from your time in Japan. We also do koan introspection with our teachers. I'd say it's very informal compared to Japanese Soto or Rinzai Zen. I have been sitting with my current group for about 10 yrs., and knew a while back that our resident teacher was an NLP practitioner. When I first heard that he was into NLP, I Googled it and read that it was junk science, like you said. Didn't think much more about it. After digging around in this forum, I just got a little concerned. Some of the other members of our Zen center have some interest in alternative medical therapies, like reiki and energy healing. One guy believes that aliens visited Earth thousands and thousands of years ago. That's a post for a different message board, perhaps. Overall the group is pretty "chill," and don't go running after people who decide to stop sitting with us.

Glad to year you've found coaching rewarding. Some of the other Zen teachers in our group of centers (or sangha) are also coaches. Not sure if it's "life coaching" or the kind of coaching you do.

There's a ton of info. on Byron Katie in this forum, though not as much discussion of her lately.

Schmarl,

Thanks for your message. I am glad you have found your Zen practice meaningful.

I checked out Byron Katie, OMG!!!

On coaching, I have been focused on working with executives who are generally transitioning to new roles, or global roles. I have found this very meaningful prior to the field being co-opted by the organization I have been ranting about in this forum.

For me, it comes down to a desire to work in a research-based field, as opposed to a New Age kook club. I don't appreciate what the field has become, really at any level...so, big changes ahead for me.

It is not just Byron Katie.

Stephen Mitchell too. Go to search section of this message board.

Choose all dates. Put Stephen Mitchell into the search slot.


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...and Tony Robbins.

and, Tony Robbins.

Y'all,

One thing that struck me in my readings in the forum is that we are all pretty much focusing on individuals, or organizations, are REACTING to these.

I am thinking it would be more productive to view individuals and/or organizations through a lens of 'trance technology'...to not focus on the 'who', but on the 'how'.

This occurred to me, today, in reading the latest news about NXIVM, which focuses unduly on the personalities of Raniere and Mack. I haven't heard 'NLP' described in more than a few NXIVM reports.

Tony Robbins is interesting to me, not as the person Tony Robbins (not his real name), but as a master of trance technology, and, specifically NLP.

I am wondering if can add more value by explicating the trance technologies these individuals and groups use in really concise and dispassionate fashion. I think 'not Moses' is doing this on his blog...

Developing the means to recognize and counter 'trance technologies' seems like a very useful endeavor to me (have yet to read Rick Ross's book...am sure he goes there).

I don't even want to file this under 'recovery', my own, or other peoples', because I think 'recovery' is another one of their templates.

I want to file this under 'POWER'.

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@bakkagirl, i tried to send p.m. You need to clean out your mailbox.
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