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The Hard (room set up) and Soft (verbal )Components of LEC
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: May 12, 2018 10:35PM


These sorts of system 1 associations are far more likely to occur when people are exhausted... which they are at the end of the training.

What we learned during message board discussion here at back in 2003 to 2004 was that the physical setting was a key component of the LGAT process. People were set up to get confused and boundary compromised early in the process.


It may be a coincidence but soon after a bunch of us began examining Landmark's room set up, trolls did all they could to disrupt the discussion.

The room set up is likely to remain the same no matter which LGAT we are looking it - it is that important, and it is a component that usually escapes notice.

We have to wonder if Werner Erhard spent time studying casino design - and continues to do so.

To use a crude computer analogy, people who used to work for Landmark helped us
identify several components that form the LGAT process.

Hardware -- Aspects of the LGAT that target the subject's bodies

room set up (chairs spaced close together so as to put the LGAT subjects into subtle stress positions and violate normal physical boundaries

Blocking windows so as to exclude natural light, which disrupts normal sleep wake cycle (and may get people vulnerable to manic states)

Re arranging chairs and re assigning seat arrangements so that subjects cannot form social groups on their own or get a sense of stable physical anchoring

Some former LGAT subjects reported that room temperature was changed throughout the seminar running the air conditioning cold.

Software - jargon and verbal confusion

Gaslighting and double binds - The Red Black Game, telling subjects that evening class resumes at 7:30 PM, then the Forum Leader yells at people for returning late even though they have returned on time. Tired people are easily confused to distrust their perception and are by this time accustomed to seeking guidance from the forum leader.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/28/2018 06:52AM by corboy.

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Re: PhD on LGATs
Posted by: kdag ()
Date: May 13, 2018 05:30AM

Yes, corboy is right.

In addition, the assault on the ego is absolutely vicious, and goes way beyond what would normally be experienced in real life.
This begins early, and continues throughout at least the first two days. No matter what you say, you are ALWAYS wrong, (even when you're right, as in the example when everyone remembers that they had to be back at 7:30, and after the fact it's 7:20). You end up feeling as if you can't do or say ANYTHING right. People are blamed for their own rapes, (there was a scene like this in "The Handmaid's Tale." It reminded me of Landmark . I personally think that "Aunt Lydia" would make a perfect Forum Leader).

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Re: PhD on LGATs
Posted by: egoldstein ()
Date: February 02, 2020 03:06PM

I noticed that the link to this thesis (from this site) no longer works. This is highly suspicious as the site's URL still works!

Simply Google "Stress-induced hypomania in healthy participants: the allostatic manic-defence hypothesis" if you want to access the thesis.

Very tricky dealing with LGATs and their minions.

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