For context, I'm completely new to the lgat world after my ex gf spawned it on me one day. she had gone through choices her whole life and was going back to coach for first time. Long story short, she came back a completely different person, self absorbed, mean, righteous and no care for others actions towards her words or behaviors. she abandoned me cold after 6 months and still to this day it's painful to not have any closure after loving her so much and genuinely.

Therefore, being the masters educated curious person I am,I called the Dallas contact from the website. This lady is labeled the "voice of choices" on the website and is in program from 10 years. I've listed below my questions and her replies. I was calm but agitated when asking not to be overly emotional on the phone.

If you have experience with choices or you have a loved one involved, please please share your experiences. I need to know I'm not alone in this disaster I guess haha

Conversation w/Choices

me(m)- hi. I was wondering if you could share information with me about choices. my ex gf came back recently from coaching and she's nowhere near the person she was before the seminar.

choices(c) - that never happens I'm sorry to hear that. we give attendees tools to better their lives and transform their self confidence in life. What's her name?

m - I'm not disclosing her name. could you provide me with the background info or credentials, or any degrees regarding the trainer at her course?

c- we don't provide any background and the attendees are well aware the trainer does not have a PhD when they sign the waiver before the seminar.

m- so attendees have to sign they acknowledge the person digging up their most horrific memories and distorting their minds infront of 100 other strangers has 0 credibility or scientific background? How do attendees know the trainer isn't a pedophile? why do attendees have to submit their rights yet you're claim is to change the world one heart at a time?

c- sir I don't have a the answers, I'm just a receptionist (even though she's touted highly as contact for choices dallas). if you want I can have the head honcho call you to discuss more.

m- you and I both know she won't call. So it's possible you or the attendees have no idea that the trainers could be a demonstrative person? and you trust these individuals playing with horrific memories as they are all knowing.seriously, can you provide anything on the trainer that says they aren't a pedophile or abuser?

c- long pause...no sir I guess I can't. but like I said I don't have all the answers.

m- bit you've been in program for a decade? You can't up-front say the trainers are or are not qualified or if they're not rapists?

c- she hangs up.


is this common with other lgat? why do most attendees get involved heavily with this scam without ever asking questions of reality?

it's like they believe who ever is on the stage for a better life, yet that person could be a social monster.

any conversation is greatly appreciated.

God bless

My upfront opinion is that you didn't come off with the intent of getting anywhere with that person. You were venting valid frustration, and as a Landmarker, I can say a Landmark receptionist would've answered more "profoundly". But I don't blame her for giving up after the rapist part. In all fairness, how do you know your therapist isn't a rapist? And why would it matter in regards to their job description?

If you want to get somewhere, I would tone down the rapist / pedophile part and try to speak with someone other than that woman. Perhaps call and ask for the center manager?

anonday Wrote:
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> My upfront opinion is that you didn't come off
> with the intent of getting anywhere with that
> person. You were venting valid frustration, and as
> a Landmarker, I can say a Landmark receptionist
> would've answered more "profoundly". But I don't
> blame her for giving up after the rapist part. In
> all fairness, how do you know your therapist isn't
> a rapist? And why would it matter in regards to
> their job description?
>
> If you want to get somewhere, I would tone down
> the rapist / pedophile part and try to speak with
> someone other than that woman. Perhaps call and
> ask for the center manager?



I know my therapist isn't a rapist bc they are bound by law to be accredited and clean record, theyre upfront with degrees and confidentiality and use proven psychology and positive cognitive therapy.

What about your 'self help' leader who tells you how to live YOUR life? Can you claim the same transparency? she was the manager for Texas office.

you're an apologist and it's clear your lgat perspective is influenced heavily.

I first asked for background or info, credentials and then to pedophile comment. That proves how sick these 'leaders' who are messing with good people can be.

sportsguy44 Wrote:
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> anonday Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > My upfront opinion is that you didn't come off
> > with the intent of getting anywhere with that
> > person. You were venting valid frustration, and
> as
> > a Landmarker, I can say a Landmark receptionist
> > would've answered more "profoundly". But I
> don't
> > blame her for giving up after the rapist part.
> In
> > all fairness, how do you know your therapist
> isn't
> > a rapist? And why would it matter in regards to
> > their job description?
> >
> > If you want to get somewhere, I would tone down
> > the rapist / pedophile part and try to speak
> with
> > someone other than that woman. Perhaps call and
> > ask for the center manager?
>
>
>
> I know my therapist isn't a rapist bc they are
> bound by law to be accredited and clean record,
> theyre upfront with degrees and confidentiality
> and use proven psychology and positive cognitive
> therapy.
>
> What about your 'self help' leader who tells you
> how to live YOUR life? Can you claim the same
> transparency? she was the manager for Texas
> office.
>
> you're an apologist and it's clear your lgat
> perspective is influenced heavily.
>
> I first asked for background or info, credentials
> and then to pedophile comment. That proves how
> sick these 'leaders' who are messing with good
> people can be.

I took the time to give you insight with the intent to help. In return I receive a defensive accusation of being an apologist. Do you actually want help with this issue, or do you just want to be mad?

Your therapist could be a rapist and simply have never been charged for it. Just because someone has a clean record doesn't mean they aren't a terrible person who commits heinous acts. I had a therapist in college, and a few years later we found out that he had murdered a man and was a drug addict.

My point is that if you want to get somewhere with these people, you ought to consider why you're not getting anywhere. It's because of your tone and appeal to extremes. I agreed that your point is valid, but validity has little to do with getting anywhere.

What exactly do you want from us at this site? Are you just looking to vent? Are you only looking for people who agree with you? I don't get anything out of someone calling me an apologist and treating me like shit, so if you intend on continuing to insult me, then I can step out of the conversation.

I'm looking for conversation with others who have experienced loss or confusion bc of an lgat

let's look at your reply, you state early on you're a landmark grad and believer, your statements come from an elitist tone and you still never answered any questions regarding credentials about these leaders you follow and believe.

Instead you deflect, distract and blame others for their experience. it's obvious you're an lgat supporter. I hope you maintain a healthy life and one day look back on the sham that is running your life.

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can you please explain this more. This makes absolutely 0 sense.

"I agreed that your point is valid, but validity has little to do with getting anywhere."

You agree with my pov, but then say truth and validity mean nothing?? haha

and also @anon

reading your other posts,it seems you doubt and question what landmark is and has done to you.

why defend it if you've already come to grips with its malicious intent?

If someone writes material that a reader finds confusing or annoying, here
are some things to do.

Trust your gut. Large Group Awareness Trainings, especially Landmark, utilize
jargon. The jargon often contains grammatical violations that have a thought
stopping effect, that throws outsiders off balance or induces vague or not so
vague feelings of annoyance. Or the jargon uses familiar words but in unusual
ways. Insiders who know the jargon feel powerful and part of an elite tribe. The rest of us look blank or vaguely pissed off and this gives the jargon users
a delicious feeling of empowerment.

An empowerment based on mind fuck.

In the early days of this message board, we had at least one person who claimed to
offer assistance to those who had been harmed by Landmark. A former Landmark insider who contributed to this discussion identified what was going on.

Always feel free to contact Rick Ross. If anyone ever receives a private message
that seems strange or worse, do not hesitate to contact Mr. Ross and send a copy of the offending item.

Other things to do that are fun.

[forum.culteducation.com]

Click on the hyperlinked username of the writer. This will give the person's
profile, and lists when the person registered and how many posts he or
she has written.

Next, click "all posts" .

That gives the list of all the items, plus the different
discussion venues. That way, a reader can look at all the material that person has
written and see whether there are any inconsistencies -- and where there is
evidence of bad manners.

[www.google.com]

BTW in a discussion 12 years ago, a former Landmark attendee told us
what she'd been through.

[forum.culteducation.com]

More information

[forum.culteducation.com]

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corboy Wrote:
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> If someone writes material that a reader finds
> confusing or annoying, here
> are some things to do.
>
> Trust your gut. Large Group Awareness Trainings,
> especially Landmark, utilize
> jargon. The jargon often contains grammatical
> violations that have a thought
> stopping effect, that throws outsiders off balance
> or induces vague or not so
> vague feelings of annoyance. Or the jargon uses
> familiar words but in unusual
> ways. Insiders who know the jargon feel powerful
> and part of an elite tribe. The rest of us look
> blank or vaguely pissed off and this gives the
> jargon users
> a delicious feeling of empowerment.
>
> An empowerment based on mind fuck.
>
> In the early days of this message board, we had at
> least one person who claimed to
> offer assistance to those who had been harmed by
> Landmark. A former Landmark insider who
> contributed to this discussion identified what was
> going on.
>
> Always feel free to contact Rick Ross. If anyone
> ever receives a private message
> that seems strange or worse, do not hesitate to
> contact Mr. Ross and send a copy of the offending
> item.
>
> Other things to do that are fun.
>
> [forum.culteducation.com]
>
> Click on the hyperlinked username of the writer.
> This will give the person's
> profile, and lists when the person registered and
> how many posts he or
> she has written.
>
> Next, click "all posts" .
>
> That gives the list of all the items, plus the
> different
> discussion venues. That way, a reader can look at
> all the material that person has
> written and see whether there are any
> inconsistencies -- and where there is
> evidence of bad manners.
>
> [www.google.com]
>
> BTW in a discussion 12 years ago, a former
> Landmark attendee told us
> what she'd been through.
>
>
>
> More information
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"Trust your gut. Large Group Awareness Trainings, especially Landmark, utilize
jargon. The jargon often contains grammatical violations that have a thought
stopping effect, that throws outsiders off balance or induces vague or not so
vague feelings of annoyance. Or the jargon uses familiar words but in unusual
ways. Insiders who know the jargon feel powerful and part of an elite tribe. The rest of us look blank or vaguely pissed off and this gives the jargon users
a delicious feeling of empowerment."


this is so true about my relationship communication with her. too bad I didn't know while I was in the "fog."

thought I was pretty strong person but now feel stupid and wasteful for falling for her/their tactics and letting it affect my old skeletons, even though I never went.



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