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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: April 30, 2018 06:10AM

To read up on links between Gottlieb's Royal Way material to Rajneesh/Osho's output, read here:

[forum.culteducation.com]


Rajneesh liked to tell dirty jokes, some reportedly copied from Playboy.

[forum.culteducation.com] Date: August 28, 2013 10:50AM



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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Posted by: 1sadhana ()
Date: May 21, 2018 08:02PM

Just as Osho inspired Michael, Wild Wild Country has brought life back to this forum, as awareness is growing. All around the world, specifically in America, mindfulness has become a "hot topic" - this is something we as a people should take pride in. Osho would be proud, and i believe so would Michael, in the strength the collective consciousness has amassed.

Disclaimer: there are no answers here. There are no correct conclusions and you will never find the meaning you've been seeking in a forum. It is like free therapy and it is always nice to vent, but one must figure out the question they are asking before they expect to receive any sort of an answer.

A word: do not shun osho, do not shun Michael and most importantly do not shun yourself. You are beautiful, as you are or otherwise, and you are the cause of your own success and suffering. Take a moment, breathe, take pride in your life.

I did not have the pleasure of knowing Michael firsthand - fewer and fewer members do these days. Maggie, Michael's disciple, was the medium by which Michael was prescribed to me. I hold nothing against Maggie, but every member and their mother (no pun, it truly is a family affair) knows that when they listen to Maggie, it is the voice of Michael they are hearing.

The same goes for Osho. Osho has inspired the lives of millions and if you are a dedicated follower of Michael Gottlieb then you are a Rajneeshee and you are yet another branch in Osho's tree of consciousness and love. His love still spreads like a beautiful wildfire.

If you've seen wild wild country you will understand, and if you are a royal way member and you have not watched the netflix documentary, you owe it to yourself to take a look. propagandists talk constantly about manipulation, control etc. This was not Osho's doing, but Sheela's. I will not do Maggie the discourtesy of comparing her to Sheela, but in practice their roles are actually quite similar. It was Sheela, and her loyal band of renegades, who brought terror on that small town in oregon. Sheela lost sight of what was important, but only because Osho had done the same.

So ask yourself, how could Osho, great spiritual leader and chosen disciple of the almighty lose himself? simple. the same way people in the traffic jam of life lose themselves each and every day. it was society, it was pressure, it was the relative disarray of the masses compiled into a simple manifestation called drugs. Osho was pressured by hollywood "donors" to do drugs and, ultimately, 0sho too was steered off the path of righteousness and love. As is Michale (and even Maggie), osho is but a vessel. How this vessel becomes filled is the responsibility of hte community.

To the members, i ask you now: how will you handle your responsibility?

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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: May 22, 2018 12:48AM

This thread is not about Rajneesh aka Osho. It's about the Royal Way.

"Osho great spiritual leader"?

FYI -- Osho was deported from the US long ago due to his criminal activity. He tried to immigrate to other countries, but was blocked entry, e.g. UK. Finally India allowed him to return when he paid money owed.

IMO Rajneesh/Osho used Sheela like a tool and she did everything with his full knowledge and approval. Including the terrorist attack in Oregon.

Rajneesh hurt many people and in IMO is a prime example of a destructive cult leader. Rajneesh Osho is included in a chapter about modern cult history in the book "Cults Inside Out."

See [cultsinsideout.com]

For anyone interested in the historical facts regarding Rajneesh or Osho see the Cult Education Institute archive on Osho.

See [www.culteducation.com]

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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Date: October 20, 2018 08:14AM

1sadhana,
I knew Michael firsthand. There were many pleasurable times. There were also many times where his demands for loyalty, his personal attacks on those who disagreed and his questionable methods were all too obvious as a cult leader. Publicly, he would sometimes taunt those who fawned over him. He would also make fun of students and devotees behind their backs. He was never afraid to demand donations from the wealthiest followers, though usually through an intermediary like Maggi. As a teacher, he had his flaws. As a person, he made some morally bad choices. People were seriously hurt by those choices. They could have been avoided. He knew what he was doing.

People in RW are afraid to speak truth to power. Many will never leave due to fear of abandonment by their closest “friends”. They love bomb each other, then use attack therapy in encounter groups. They use the path of personal growth to create a dependency on RW and each other. I will guarantee you that if someone in RW has stayed for more than 6 years they are probably staying for life.

Michael once taught that RW was a place where you get what you need and then move on. Later, he said the opposite; RW was now a lifelong commitment. The majority of Royal Wayans who knew Michael are never leaving because they know could never face the deep loss and despair awaiting them. Michael did a good job embedding his influence into their psyche. It is every individual’s responsibility to account for their actions. Michael died before his methods were exposed had to account for his actions.

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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 20, 2018 08:03PM

A cult studies psychologist named Alexandra Stein has published some
very interesting material describing the exact nature of the personal bonds
that distinguish cult leaders from genuine healers.

Fear is always part of the bond between a cultic leader (or abusive partner) and others.



A Cult Member Turned Expert Explains How Anyone Can Be Brainwashed

Dr. Alexandra Stein was brainwashed by a Marxist-Leninist sect as a young woman. Now she studies them for a living.
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[broadly.vice.com]


How totalism works

The brainwashing methods of isolation, engulfment and fear can lead anyone to a cult. I should know – I was in one

Alexandra Stein

How totalism works

The brainwashing methods of isolation, engulfment and fear can lead anyone to a cult. I should know – I was in one

[aeon.co]

Professor Stein has also published a book:


Terror, Love and Brainwashing by Alexandra Stein

[www.google.com]

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Re: Royal Way/Jacumba/Ranch/Michael Gottlieb
Date: October 21, 2018 12:44AM

From the Alexandra Stein article:
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"It's like being absorbed into a group of false, sometimes cruel friends. Cults have the illusion of solidarity, but Stein describes them as a perverse group of deeply lonely individuals who have lost the will and the capacity to make decisions on their own. "You can't confide in anyone in a cult," she says. "If you say, 'There seems to be a problem here,' you will be likely to be punished, so there's nowhere to go. You're scared but you've got nobody else left in your life, so you cling to the very people who are causing you that fear."

That's how cults operate: on a cycle of fear and attachment. It's Stockholm Syndrome, only more insidious and confusing because you feel like you made the choice to join when you started out."

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