Werner Erhard and L. Ron Hubbard
Posted by:
Acid Reindeer
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Date: August 22, 2005 01:43AM
as a matter of well-documented historical fact, LRH had little to do personally with Crowley. (it stretches my credibility and image of Hubbard to think of him accepting anyone except himself as a guru.) Crowley and LRH never met but identified him, correctly, as a scam artist and advised one of Crowley's actual disciples,
Jack Parsons, to avoid him. Parsons ignored the advice and Crowley went on to do as Crowley intimiated. Crowley and Parsons practiced Crowleyan magick together, so in a passive sense, Hubbard did get influenced by Crowley.
oversimplifying here a great degree, Crowley had founded Thelema, a new religion devoted to self-gratification and self-responsibility. est has more in common philosophically with Thelema than Scientology has with Thelema, without the exploitative angle.
Jack Parsons, to avoid him. Parsons ignored the advice and Crowley went on to do as Crowley intimiated. Crowley and Parsons practiced Crowleyan magick together, so in a passive sense, Hubbard did get influenced by Crowley.
oversimplifying here a great degree, Crowley had founded Thelema, a new religion devoted to self-gratification and self-responsibility. est has more in common philosophically with Thelema than Scientology has with Thelema, without the exploitative angle.
Werner Erhard and L. Ron Hubbard
Posted by:
patrick-darcy
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Date: August 22, 2005 01:57AM
when a group has *more* in common with something
doesnt mean it doesnt have something in common with
something else.
est or landmark has some of its roots in satanic religion.
now the whole formum u could say is not completely
satanic but part of it is.
this is what happened when i attened the forum given
out by that nasty little man jinnendra jain.
this is how the empowerment process went.
there are so many people in the room and u are terrified of
them and a few people began to cry and wimper a little.
then there are so many people in austin and u are terrified of
them and more people began to cry.
then there are so many people in the metropolitan area and there
there are so many people in the state and then there are so
many people in the country , continent, etc etc
when he got to the part where there are so many people in
the world and u are terrified of them, the people were crying
'and wailing and screaming.
he left the group there for a while in their terror, while the
people were completely unaware of what was going on
around them , he was constanting repeating the word
shi* over and over. at the time i thought this seemd like
some kind of psycological baptism in increment.
in my mind, i refused to accept it.
after i did my research i found i was correct.
one of the things that helped me to do my research was jinnendra
himself.
his name tag was changed to jinnenriah, i looked jinnenriah
in a book i found at book stop in austin.
jinnendriah is suppodly the leader of the satanic group
called the jinn.
the genies and the magcians are from the jinn.
i do sense a little irriation from u when i mention the satanic
ties. it seems to have this effect on a lot of people.
people dont want to believe that landmark is partially
satanic religion. people dont want to know that scientologies
hubbard was into satanic rituals.
u can verify hubbard by finding the penthouse magazine
article that was released i believe in the 70's.
his son, who at the time was being groomed to take over
scientology after hubbard gave this article and then later
disappeared from the face of the planet.
his son mentions his links to satanism.
its there.
doesnt mean it doesnt have something in common with
something else.
est or landmark has some of its roots in satanic religion.
now the whole formum u could say is not completely
satanic but part of it is.
this is what happened when i attened the forum given
out by that nasty little man jinnendra jain.
this is how the empowerment process went.
there are so many people in the room and u are terrified of
them and a few people began to cry and wimper a little.
then there are so many people in austin and u are terrified of
them and more people began to cry.
then there are so many people in the metropolitan area and there
there are so many people in the state and then there are so
many people in the country , continent, etc etc
when he got to the part where there are so many people in
the world and u are terrified of them, the people were crying
'and wailing and screaming.
he left the group there for a while in their terror, while the
people were completely unaware of what was going on
around them , he was constanting repeating the word
shi* over and over. at the time i thought this seemd like
some kind of psycological baptism in increment.
in my mind, i refused to accept it.
after i did my research i found i was correct.
one of the things that helped me to do my research was jinnendra
himself.
his name tag was changed to jinnenriah, i looked jinnenriah
in a book i found at book stop in austin.
jinnendriah is suppodly the leader of the satanic group
called the jinn.
the genies and the magcians are from the jinn.
i do sense a little irriation from u when i mention the satanic
ties. it seems to have this effect on a lot of people.
people dont want to believe that landmark is partially
satanic religion. people dont want to know that scientologies
hubbard was into satanic rituals.
u can verify hubbard by finding the penthouse magazine
article that was released i believe in the 70's.
his son, who at the time was being groomed to take over
scientology after hubbard gave this article and then later
disappeared from the face of the planet.
his son mentions his links to satanism.
its there.
Werner Erhard and L. Ron Hubbard
Posted by:
Acid Reindeer
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Date: August 22, 2005 02:34AM
Quote
patrick-darcy
when a group has *more* in common with something
doesnt mean it doesnt have something in common with
something else.
true.
Crowley did not practice Satanism. he practiced his own religion which he called Thelema. he did not worship Satan except in the broad sense of opposing institutional Christianity and believing that the time of the Father (the patriarchal age, represented by Jesus and the Trinity) had passed and that humanity had moved onto a new phase.
Crowley, the magician and the man, did engage in some mean-spirited acts intended to indicate his personal hatred of Christianity, true. Crowley mystic, however, respected the truth of some elements of Christianity in the same way that all religions had truth. he had a lot of contradictions and a reductionist analysis does not really apply to him.
either LRH, LRH's son or the interviewer of this article may have gotten this wrong. immaterial.
LRH may have practiced Thelemic or Satanic or none-of-the-above magic, it really does not matter to me. it matters what he did when he did not practice magic.
I think of as Scientologists as the dupes of a man (LRH) who practiced Thelemic magic (and for all I know, Satanic magic) and who themselves do not practice Thelema (or Satanism).
like I said, I think that Crowley and Erhard have some philosophical similarities which they arrived at independently from each other.
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one of the things that helped me to do my research was jinnendra
himself.
his name tag was changed to jinnenriah, i looked jinnenriah
in a book i found at book stop in austin.
jinnendriah is suppodly the leader of the satanic group
called the jinn.
two things.
people from various cultures have names inherited from their cultures. for instance names of people in the Bible used by believers in Biblical faiths.
the names in and of themselves do not nessecarily have any meaning.
and, if they do, I do not know if the Muslims regard the Jinns as servants of Satan, though I could have this wrong. I think that they consider them physically powerful and morally neutral, though I admit that I do not know for sure.
second, by this logic you would expect Erhard and his confederates to have the most Satanic names of all (especially as he changed his), which they didn't.
apply some critical thinking.
also, don't take one magazine article printed in a popular general circulation magazine as the definitive authority on any given subject matter. you have to do better research than that.
Werner Erhard and L. Ron Hubbard
Posted by:
patrick-darcy
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Date: August 22, 2005 02:51AM
Quote
Acid ReindeerQuote
patrick-darcy
when a group has *more* in common with something
doesnt mean it doesnt have something in common with
something else.
true.
Crowley did not practice Satanism. he practiced his own religion which he called Thelema. he did not worship Satan except in the broad sense of opposing institutional Christianity and believing that the time of the Father (the patriarchal age, represented by Jesus and the Trinity) had passed and that humanity had moved onto a new phase.
crowley may not have called his belief system satanism. but
if an individual or group uses satanic ritual by another name
it still is satanism.
if someone were to start another new religion today and if
they used some parts of satanism they would probably
not call it satanism. they would of course call it something else.
to call it satanism would put off too many people. it would
be repulsive to many. so if u call it something else people
are not threatened by it. that would be a very good tactic.
Crowley, the magician and the man, did engage in some mean-spirited acts intended to indicate his personal hatred of Christianity, true. Crowley mystic, however, respected the truth of some elements of Christianity in the same way that all religions had truth. he had a lot of contradictions and a reductionist analysis does not really apply to him.
i find this very interesting. and u
say that he had a personal hatred of christianity. i would agree
with that.
either LRH, LRH's son or the interviewer of this article may have gotten this wrong. immaterial.
i have heard this before. i have heard that his son who was
so close to hubbard maybe just said this because he was
upset with hubbard. what if he was telling the truth. then what ?
he could have been speaking the truth. he did later disappear
and was never heard from again. satanic belief systems would
have no problem with getting rid of him to shut him up.
LRH may have practiced Thelemic or Satanic or none-of-the-above magic, it really does not matter to me. it matters what he did when he did not practice magic.
I think of as Scientologists as the dupes of a man (LRH) who practiced Thelemic magic (and for all I know, Satanic magic) and who themselves do not practice Thelema (or Satanism).
i believe most scientologists practice some satanic religion,
they have been duped by hubbard. they are practicing satanic
religion and are unaware of it.
again , another good tactic.
like I said, I think that Crowley and Erhard have some philosophical similarities which they arrived at independently from each other.
it seems that werner didnt have much in common if anything
with crowley but hubbard did. werner got much of his belief
system from scientology. even the people that are in
landmark will tell u that werner went to scientology to learn.Quote
one of the things that helped me to do my research was jinnendra
himself.
his name tag was changed to jinnenriah, i looked jinnenriah
in a book i found at book stop in austin.
jinnendriah is suppodly the leader of the satanic group
called the jinn.
logically, then, you would expect the founder of est to have the most Satanic name of all. maybe you could do a numerology analysis of the name WERNER ERHARD if you have abanoned critical thinking entirely.
actually i havent abandoned critical thinking. in this day and time
if u want to become rich, like hubbard said, start a religion.
if u dont want the people to shy away from religion, dont mention
that u went to the devil to get it :)
this has as much significance as saying that having the name James makes you Christian, because the influence of the New Testament has caused parents to name their children James or Aaron or Ruth without any thought as to why the names have gotten used in this culture.
the reason i brought it up was jinnendra was very very self
assured when he gave out the forum to my group. he was
braggy. he even mentioned that none of the other form leaders
were his equal. he mentioned that part of his job was to
train the other forum leaders. his name tag said jinnenriah, not
jennendra through part of the forum. i later took some notes,
even though i was told we could not do that. when i realized
not so much the satanic connection i was astonished about
the mind control techniques.
even some Satanists will have Christian names. they do not nessecarily mean anything in and of themselves.
i would agree.
the satanist part of the cults and the church that has spawned
them seems to really get people upset.
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