Scientology and Tony Robbins
Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: July 13, 2005 11:41PM

(This is from someone who is one of Robbins's followers, and is also on the "Free Employee Crew" for Robbins. He sees the truth, but cannot perceive it.)

[www2.anthonyrobbins.com]

" So what's the difference?

I read all your replies and I'm now wondering what's the difference between Tony and scientology?

Someone said that scientology helps you to be in control of your emotions. Isn't this what Tony TEACHES.

Another poster said that Scientology makes you spend lots of money in it. We spend thousands attending UPW and then Mastery University. Not to mention books and tapes.

Tony doesn't believe in antidepressants, just like Tom Cruise.

And the list goes on and on......

Before you begin lashing out at me, you must understand that I'm a big time Tony fan and long time crew member.

I'm only asking this question because there's too many similarities between them.
I think the reason Scientology gets a bad rap is because they call themselves a religion. I often get a reaction from other people when I tell them about Tony. They tell me you're crazy that sounds like a cult.

Anyway, Tony has made a big difference in y life and who cares what others have to say....

Scientology and Tony Robbins
Posted by: elena ()
Date: July 14, 2005 03:37AM

Quote
Cosmophilospher
(This is from someone who is one of Robbins's followers, and is also on the "Free Employee Crew" for Robbins. He sees the truth, but cannot perceive it.)

[www2.anthonyrobbins.com]

" So what's the difference?

I read all your replies and I'm now wondering what's the difference between Tony and scientology?

Someone said that scientology helps you to be in control of your emotions. Isn't this what Tony TEACHES.



LOLOL.....So much ~control.~ "Control" of your emotions, "control" of you life, "control" your destiny, "control" your thoughts, "control" your mind, "control" over other people. Doesn't it just make your head spin??? All these earnest, pathetic seekers in so much need of "control." What on
earth is wrong with this picture? Ha! Must belie that underwhelming sense of having so absolutely f*cking little real control over anything much of any great importance or anything much more than one's own petty concerns and insignificant life. It's just so much more of the same selling "hope" to the hopeless and "power" to the powerless. ~Control~ - yes, or "Kontrol," maybe. As in Mind Kontrol. Ahhh, the secret's in the sauce. Reminds me of the word "Confidence" written in large letters on the chalkboard at the front of the room of the "Introductory" Landmark meeting/indoctrination attempt. They gave it away, to those of us with a nose for fraud, by omitting the word "Game." Just a little inside joke, you might imagine, on those "true believers" who were about to embark on a journey of taking themselves waaaaay too seriously.


Ellen

Scientology and Tony Robbins
Posted by: Towest3 ()
Date: July 14, 2005 10:13AM

I am new here and hello to everybody! I am from New Zealand.
First I wont to expres my sympathy to Cosmo for his work here. Thank you Cosmo from men who lost wife and family in TR cult. TR is so dangerous brainwasher and mind controler vithour limit to ripof people. My wife, after accepting TR junk tapes and seminars completly changes personality and was rapidly developing bipolar disorder. After 2 years she is on high level of mental problems and sikness. She became on ralisation that TR is reinkarnation of God personaly? Very sad situation for higly educated and sometime bright and inteligent person. I will like to see that man stoped to doing dammage to inocent and naive people. (Sorry about my english is my 2 language)

Scientology and Tony Robbins
Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: July 14, 2005 11:55AM

Here is a post about the Robbins high-pressure sales, and the LIES they tell, and what they do to people. These Robbins Supersales guys are literally MONSTERS without a conscience. Its truly scary to see them at work as they scam people all day long.
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www2.anthonyrobbins.com/community_dev2/showthread.php?t=28888

Scammed - Anyone else experienced this?

Hi Guys,

I've spent some time on this website and have seen a lot of positive comments about peoples experience with Anthony Robbins. I have read his books and went to UPW in London this year with my girlfriend and to that point would have joined in the chorus of approval. This reason for talking about the scenario below is to find out whether anyone has experienced similar problems to ourselves and more importantly how/if they were resolved.

I had a slight doubt about the exact motivation of the Anthony Robbins Company at the event. I work in sales and the methods utilised in getting people to sign up to the University course were identical to the methods used by salespeople who are accused of high pressured tactics at seminars for timeshare/property etc (this may be more a UK thing??). I understand that at the end of the day Anthony Robbins is a business so of course expect there to be the promotion of other services. However I did find it strange that a man/company positioning themselves as they do, to utilise that type of approach.

We were both interested in the course but as a result of the above did not sign up there and then as we decided we wanted to find out more. My girlfriend went along to the personalised Momentum follow up session. When she came back the first thing she said was that the guy appeared to be just interested in getting money out of her. She said he was very pushy. She works in sales herself and knowing her as I do, believe me when I say this guy must have been going some!!

We were really keen to do the course because of Anthony Robbins so ignored our feelings on this. This was followed by days of follow up calls from the guy who then offered my girlfriend a discount for booking and paying for 2 people. We decided to do it and my girlfriend sent the money across.

To cut a long story short – the guy then called up several days later and said that he wasn’t authorised to give a discount and he wanted more money. My girlfriend said no and that this was unfair. Any hope that this was a one off and that when we got to speak to someone else at the Anthony Robbins Company justice and a sense of fairness would prevail was highly misplaced. In our attempt to follow this up we have met a brick wall. The attitude has very much been “tough ****, we have your money and that’s it”. We’ve been given the choice of either send the money or don’t come on the course. Funnily enough if we don’t come on the course then we don’t get all our money back

The whole experience has been highly disappointing. I put all my savings up to go on the course. We have been left with the feeling that the whole set up is geared towards squeezing as much money out of people as possible. Helping people seems to be the last thing they care about. All of the values that Anthony Robbins talks about having do not seem to apply to the ethics of the company. Is this really what Anthony Robbins is about? Does anyone think he is aware of this behaviour or more worrying does anyone think this is the approach he wants his staff to have? We are now in a position of not even wanting to go on the courses. Why would you want to immerse yourself in an organisation that acts like this?

As I said earlier the reason for this is not to be overly negative but to find out whether this is a real one off (although having spoken to 3 people at Anthony Robbins all with the same attitude, it does seems to be representative) or whether anyone else has had a similar experience and ideas about how to proceed?

Re: Scientology and Tony Robbins
Posted by: Truthnow ()
Date: June 28, 2019 01:17AM

I worked behind the curtain for over 25 years. Everything thing is very different back there. You can see clearly the business model, as follows: Induced euphoria, military brainwashing, induced entrainment, special effects via music and lights. major hypnosis, and numerous other subtle forms of creating "followers" commonly known as "idol worship". Why does one man "need" numerous multi million dollar homes? private jets, massive ego purchases, $$$ in plastic surgery? and on and on. Why so much narcissistic behavior? is it in reality feeding a very deep insecurity? going back to childhood. Over my time there, I Baker Acted so many people I lost count years ago, why? major psychotic episodes at events, some people never recovered. Participants are being taught to give up the power of reason and rational thinking. And, you never ever question his content, and I mean NEVER. There is a spectrum to mental health, on one end of the spectrum, there are common human insecurities(looks, co dependency) on the other end is sociopathy and psychopathic behavior. When 5000 participants enter the seminar, they ALL fall somewhere on that spectrum, no exception. With that being said, how is it that his only major tool is NLP, can solve a spectrum of mental health issues, simple answer, IT CAN'T. Hence the emotional aftermath. People who were Baker Acted are now subjected to drug intervention, which can really make their lives a mess. Bottom line, high end personal development seminars need to be "regulated", why? participants need to know the "radical side effects" before jumping off the cliff into 1 ft of water. In his environment there is ZERO oversight, ZERO accountability, There is ZERO leverage to hold an ethical standard of any kind, Nuff said

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