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midonov123
I asked my Introduction Leader and Seminar Leader wannabe ex-girlfriend (yes she is now officially my ex- for those who read my other posts) why Landmark is concentrated over 3 days fro, 9 am to midnight sitting on uncomfortable chairs in an uncomfortable room etc... that results in physical discomfort and sleep deprivation.
She answered very simply “because their defenses collapse” !!!
This confirms the Forum leader does it deliberately and knowingly, but she thinks it’s for their own good, so that the participant can get the message that will transform their life for the better. I insisted that if she cares for people, she should also look at the detrimental effects Landmark has on many people before enrolling more and more, but she objected aggressively and refused to listen to anything (this is not the first time). I told her firmly that I consider Landmark as a cult, and that I will not get trapped by their close system of logic and techniques. She kicked me out of her apartment after trying some more enrolling tricks on me that didn’t work.
The more I learn about all of this, the more I am outraged.
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She answered very simply “because their defenses collapse” !!!
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sonnie_dee
I am surprised she said that, when I was training to be an introduction leader we were always told the "real" reason was because people wanted to do the course with out taking to much out of their life.
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elena
If you look at the bizarre effects of Landmark taking over the minds and personalities of many of their followers, you realize that the "new" personalities, the ~transformed~ selves, the ~aware~ and "improved" minds are reflections or often replicas of Werner Erhard's.
Ellen
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maidynfall
just wanted to thank everyone for their replies. lots of helpful info, personal accounts, advice, links--all good stuff. thank you. will take some of you up on your offers to email you personally. i need support as i sort through this and figure out whatever i'm supposed to be getting from this experience.
i do remember in the forum how we were told if we left the room, even for a little bit, they weren't to be held responsible for anything we missed, results we didn't achieve, whatever. that gave me pause, but because i was dealing w/a back injury, i got up whenever i felt the need. being an rn, i've been trained to ignore my body's distress signals and have suffered the consequences, so i wasn't about to injure or torture myself. although i'd informed them beforehand that i might need breaks from time to time, i felt i could sense disapproval, like maybe i appeared to be not taking it seriously enough.
i'm at work, so i can't post much more right now, but really am grateful for everyone sharing their experiences and thoughts. :)
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Does anyone think progress was made on this person? Is it possible that I was on the way to debrief her? I've actually given up on her to save myself, but I can only notice a shift in her discourse which is indicative that "something" is going on in her mind (she's been fighting her denons).
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Some ex-members have talked about using tapes and video and rehearsing endlessly in the mirror to "re-create" his every move and inflection