Teacher -
I'm going to PM you.
Godspeed to your efforts to expose this idolatrous (sp?) cult within the Church.
Mark

Can someone who may be in the area of Canyon Rd. in Canyon Country, California get a photo of MacArthur's mansion?
Also, some county auditor websites have on-line decriptions of all properties in their respective counties, so it may be possible to get info from there.

I've heard MacA preach about COMPLETE obediance to the government, even to the point where some have claimed that he says that it was wrong for Germans to disobey Hitler. Does anyone have any proof that he is actually this extreme?

Also - and I'm sorry if some think this is getting too personal about him - but what is his wife like?

Yup.....

Prominent U.S. Pastor of Grace Community Church, John MacArthur, teaches his congregation that we must be subject to the civil authorities even to Hitler or Stalin


LOS ANGELES, March 4 /Christian Newswire/ -- Using Nehemiah as an example, Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment have notified the Mayor, 15 City Council Members, the City Attorney and the Police Chief of Los Angeles they will go to the public sidewalks at Grace Community Church in accordance with the First Amendment to ask why Pastor John MacArthur would teach his people to be subject to Hitler or Stalin. Grace Community Church is located at 13248 Roscoe Blvd., Los Angeles, Ca 91352, the group will be there from 6:30 - 7:15 PM.

Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment note there are three (3) reasons why they are doing this:

1. To educate citizens about the First Amendment.

2. To familiarize all citizens with our cherished First Amendment rights.

3. To educate all who follow John MacArthur that his statement that we must obey Hitler or Stalin is not in accordance with the Constitution of the United States or the Holy Bible.

John MacArthur's words are memorialized at www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/56-23.htm : "Now listen to this. It doesn't matter whether your ruler is Caesar, Herod, Pilate, Felix, Fetus, Agrippa, Stalin, Hitler, Winston Churchill, Bill Clinton, it doesn't matter who it is, he says be subject, you teach them to be subject."
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.......These Macarthur followers have to really check
their brains at the door to listen to this rubbish.

In a sense, they really are following a "hitler"
a spiritual one, John Macarthur!

Grace -

What year did this happen?

Mark

Here's a rabid Macarthian defending this statement
because John Macarthur said we should submit to hitler...

[pjmiller.wordpress.com]

....notice the wording of pjmiller, as if a person who
did not engage in helping hitler kill Jews is
being disobedient to the BIBLE, and therefore going to
hell ( per usual statements made by
these followers of John Macarthur)

" Oh, I soooo agree with killing innocent Jews,
cuz we are Growing in The Lord - SOOO MUCH!"
Say the MacArthurites - all the time.

I really wonder who The Lord is...to them.

I must conclude, it's John Macarthur.

Gracetowho-

What year did the protest happen?


Mark

Looks like early 2010?

I'm sure if someone pinned JM down on
what he said about submitting to hitler or stalin,
he would wordsmith his way out of it.

He's pretty good at that.

But there is no "context" to undo that statement.

You have to give JM credit for following his own argument to its logical conclusion. He's all about obeying authorities, even evil, tyrannical, murdering ones. This is why people I know who attend GCC believe that the Founding Fathers sinned by declaring independence from Great Britain and fighting the Revolutionary War. This must be why JM sees nothing wrong in associating with Douglas Wilson, whose book Black and Tan is a pro-slavery, anti-abolitionist, anti-Civil War treatise. This is what happens to people's minds when their god is theological determinism.

IMO, whether or not JM has a big house is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that he and other pastors like him are twisting scriptures, exercising unbiblical authority over people and placing spiritual burdens on them that Christ never intended. He needs to be held accountable for this.

Hi Mark,

Oh here is the sermon of Gty files...
blech.

[www.gty.org]

I wonder if John Macarthur would have us take the
mark of the Beast, to submit to authorities?
I wonder how many of JMs worshippers would do it?

What an amazing flavored Kool-Aid he peddles,
its called
...Slave.

Sorry John Macarthur- here's a News Flash
for ya.. I am a Blood bought child of the Living
God, holy and beloved - accepted in the beloved.