Actually, I can back this up. John MacArthur may be a lot of things, but antisemitic is not one of them. He has Will Varner (A converted Jew) on staff and as a teacher at the college. Will Varner is a huge proponent of the Jews for Jesus movement and has written many books about how Jewish theology points to Christ. I even had dinner with Varner several times and I know he is very good friends with MacArthur, so any rumors about MacArthur being antisemitic are unfounded.Quote
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teacher -- The authors of that website on angelfire don't give citations for the quotes they attribute to people. I did a quick look around the web and discovered that Arnold Fruchtenbaum is a messianic dispensationalist with a Masters of Divinity from Dallas Theological Seminary. He's the founder of Ariel Ministries. He recommends a few of MacArthur's books on the ministry website. This, plus the fact that I've spent many years in a MacArthur network church and I have friends who go to GCC, leads me to believe that the angelfire site authors are very inaccurate in their assertion that MacArthur is anti-Semitic.
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gracetowho?
Hi Mark,
I am using JMs full name in my posts, so that when people google
anything about him our discussions will come up.
As to whether his wife is this or that or his house size or
calling his people goons, I would humbly ask you to
remember we are trying to reach these people who are in
this horrible bondage,
some of them are sweet people, I love them dearly and I think
calling them all goons is not conducive to the discussion.
I am making some bold statements concerning the logical
conclusions of his condemnation theology in hopes that some of
his followers will wake up and get out.
Being the wife of JM must be a horrible job so I am truly sad for her.
He's sold lots of books so he's entitled to whatever mansions in this
world he wants, but it is only in this life, his eternal destiny
my be much more uncomfortably, and I say that in all seriousness
and without malice.
Very Truly yours,
gtw?
I think the real "goons" are the ones higher up the pyramid. You can take a look at the list that we mentioned earlier that has the requirements for a Lordship believer to be saved, but those at the top of the pyramid have no problem breaking these rules if it means helping the organization or furthering the cause. Note how the third list mentions "protecting and guarding" the "Gospel" (Lordship Salvation). I have had MacArthur supporters get physically violent with me because they were defending their "Gospel." The higher up the pyramid is the more illegal and unethical it gets, definitely resembles "goon" like behavior.Quote
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gracetowho?
Hi Mark,
I am using JMs full name in my posts, so that when people google
anything about him our discussions will come up.
As to whether his wife is this or that or his house size or
calling his people goons, I would humbly ask you to
remember we are trying to reach these people who are in
this horrible bondage,
some of them are sweet people, I love them dearly and I think
calling them all goons is not conducive to the discussion.
I am making some bold statements concerning the logical
conclusions of his condemnation theology in hopes that some of
his followers will wake up and get out.
Being the wife of JM must be a horrible job so I am truly sad for her.
He's sold lots of books so he's entitled to whatever mansions in this
world he wants, but it is only in this life, his eternal destiny
my be much more uncomfortably, and I say that in all seriousness
and without malice.
Very Truly yours,
gtw?
gtw? -
Some clarifications: By "goons" I'm not referring to his followers, but to those in his inner circle who serve as his apologists.
The reason I ask about his wife, mansion and lifestyle is because many/most authoritarian leaders like him fit a similar mold. Others have said he has made a LOT of money off selling his books and I don't think that is right, ESPECIALLY if one is preaching/teaching an unbiblical message that places people in bondage. Just because America is the land of opportunity doesn't mean it's o.k. for a pastor to rake in the bucks, especially when pastors in Africa have been nailed to the walls of their church for preaching the Gospel.
I will come off as harsh to some because of the way I say things. Having been in a real cult ( see [www.eth-s.com] for my report ) I know first-hand the depths that legalism/authoritarianism can sink to. And frankly, when it comes to the leaders of cults and the leaders of CULT-LIKE churches I am infuriated by what they do - and I will speak as I want. Believe me, when people wake up to what they've gotten involved in at MacA's enterprise, and then come out, there will come a time when they reach the "volcano stage", i.e. they will be furious at what happened to them AND at what MacA continues to do.
Mark
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gracetowho?
Mark & Bjw
Let's always go to the root of the problem
it's not his wife, it's not his underlings
it's not his house or dogs or museum that's
the problem.
The Problem is John MacArthur's
false gospel and demonic control of people
through means of mental, emotional and
spiritual terrorism.
I think that's succinct enough.
gtw?
John MacArthur is not a Reformed theologian, he has plagiarized various views from many different backgrounds. He has some elements of Reformed theology, but he rejects their eschatology. In fact, he teaches that amillenialism and preterism are heresies. He claims to be dispensational but has an element of covenant theology in his doctrine. However, he is a staunch premillenialist and dispensationalist. He believes that the rapture, Great Tribulation, millenial reign, etc. is all still to come with Israel playing a role in the end times. You need to remember there are many elements of many different systems in Lordship theology to make it easier to reel people in to the scam.Quote
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So he is not against the Jews having a Church of their own? and he doesn't believe that a new Jerusalem is going to come?
Definitely not grace. Usually they use books with study guides from either MacArthur or various other authors that have jumped on the Lordship bandwagon. He has authors all over the country that come speak at the college, and their books are sold in the cult's bookstores (In Sun Valley and Santa Clarita). Often there is a reading assignment, and a pamphlet-sized study guide comes with the book with questions that are discussed during the class.Quote
Anyone tell me what they teach in Sunday School in the Grace Churches?
Good points. The MacArthur study bible was put together by MacArthur and his staff while I was in the cult. The church and campuses were all using NASB at the time, and GCC had just spent big bucks supplying all the pews with NASB Bibles. (It's an allegedly 10,000 member church, and has lush carpets, elevators, the works). For some unknown reason the NASB people refused to allow MacArthur to do his study bible in NASB, so he was forced to do it in NKJV. I haven't been back to the cult since I left so I don't know if they are still using NKJV, but I can imagine the members were probably forced to switch Bibles, and it managed to keep the Ryrie Study Bible (NASB and non-lordship) out of MacArthur's follower's hands.Quote
Is the Bible taught? Is Mac A.'s Bible taught? Both? Or maybe books written by him or his followers? I know one church taken over by the sect where the Bible teachings are no longer done through the Bible but through "books".