good post
the original views count on the 'Radiant Life - Tony Cunningham' blog was resest due to some kind of technial problem The web master noted it.

So the big question I have, where is Tony's support still comming from?

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Report Abuse |Judge it! |#16 Dec 24, 2008
" If you want an opinion of someone that goes to TPC I will give you mine.Pastor Mike and Cyndi do not give themselves titles other than 'pastor'. I have not heard either say 'I am an apostle or prophet'. I have heard others say that Mike is an apostle and I have heard Mike refer to his wife as someone who has had prophetic words.There is a group of people within the church who in my opinion have a unhealthy view of where Mike and Cyndi fit into their walk with God."

HERE YOU WILL SEE WHERE MIKE AND CYNDI NOW REFER TO THEMSELVES AS APOSTOLIC OVERSIGHT AND COUNSEL: You might want to wonder if you may have an unhealthy view as to where Mike and Cyndi fit into your walk with GOD! Of course that is just my opinion!

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2 days ago
I remember going to a church where the pastor frequently stated how she wanted to be an millionaire, and how everyone who attended her church would be rich as her. She also stated, if we left the church and didn't come back,we would lose our blessings and die. I'm so glad I ran away from that EVIL CULT when I did.

reginaDexant
1 month ago You cannot serve God and Mammon (money) you will love the one and hate the other-Jesus Christ. Even a poor person can love money. The love of money is the root of all evil- money in its self is not evil, but to love it is. Money is a tool not a goal to measure your life worth- the measure of a man is not in the abundance of his possessions-Jesus Christ.

ljackso
3 months ago I believe there are several "preachers" on TV that will end up in Hell. They preach a tainted and corrupted gospel. Preachers like Mike Murdock, Joel Olsteen and others that only preach about wealth and fail to preach Jesus crucified. It is ONLY through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ that we have any hope. Keep your eyes on Jesus and seek first the Kingdom of God. Maranatha!



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Greed and prosperity teaching condemned by Donnie Swaggart telling the truth. A call to repentance to all who are ensnared by the teaching of the greed/prosperity gospel.



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The Word of Faith Movement and the Cultic Renewal of Indulgences

By J. Danny Hone



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Perhaps there is no greater perversion within the modern Charismatic movement than the perversions surrounding money and its doctrine of seed faith and the hundred fold return. In this article I do not want to discuss the flaws of the prosperity gospel but rather a greater evil. An evil similar to the one that existed within the church 500 years ago. An evil that prompted Martin Luther to nail his 95 Theses on the door of the Castle church in Wittenberg Germany on October 31st, 1517. An evil that led to a reformation, from which grew the Protestant church.

At the time there were serious abuses within the church. The large administrative structure of the church required a great deal of money to finance it. To obtain this money, the church used many devices that hurt its spiritual nature. During this same time of great need within the church some clergy lived like secular princes, building lavish palaces and indulging in corrupt financial practices. In order to do just that Pope Leo X sent out indulgence peddlers who had been granted by papal power to grant remission of sins according to the amount of money given. Among these peddlers was a man named Johann Tetzel. He began selling "indulgences" in Germany in 1517. Tetzel declared that anyone who bought an indulgence could choose a soul to be freed from purgatory, or shorten his own term in purgatory. He told buyers: "When the coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs."

While Luther had other concerns about papal abuse it was the selling of indulgences that prompted him to hold a public debate on the matter. In those days on holidays, such as All Saints Day, it was customary to hold public debates. The subject of the debates were announced by nailing them to the church door. So on October 31st, 1517 Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the church door little knowing that the can of worms he opened would split the church down the middle and usher in the reformation and with it Protestantism.

The indulgences of old promised that God would pardon people's sins in exchange for a gift to the church. The indulgences sold today promise a return by God of up to one hundred fold with every gift. At the heart of the matter of the selling of indulgences is the question as to whether God's favor can be bought or sold. Luther held to the belief that God's benefits were not for sale.

"Every true Christian, be he still alive or already dead, partaketh in all benefits of Christ and of the Church given him by God, even without letters of indulgence." (1)

God's love, favor and blessings to us is based solely on God's attributes of kindness and grace towards us and not on the works we perform. God's blessings can not be bought or sold. Those who pretend to do so are involved in a great heresy. They, like Pope Leo X, do so to maintain their "luxurious life of worldliness, and pay for the remodeling of the great Cathedral." Today our churches build magnificent buildings which stand not for the glory of God but for the praise of men. Many ministers live luxurious lives at the expense of the people. The seed faith teaching is nothing more than heresy against God preached solely as a means to appeal to the greed within others so that ministries can build greater buildings and so it's founders can live in greater wealth.

In perhaps his boldest Theses, Luther asked:

"Again, why does not the Pope build St. Peter's Minster with his own money since his riches are now more ample than those of Crassus, rather than with the money of poor Christians?" (2)

Consider these words from the Apostle Paul:

"Now I am ready to visit you for the third time, and I will not be a burden to you, because what I want is not your possessions but you. After all, children should not have to save up for their parents, but parents for their children. So I will very gladly spend for you everything I have and expend myself as well." (3)

"Surely you remember, brothers, our toil and hardship; we worked night and day in order not to be a burden to anyone while we preached the gospel of God to you." (4)

Luther asked the question: "If you, being the man of God, claim to have the heart of God, then why are you taking from the resources of the people for your own unjust gain, instead of, as the Apostle Paul, working night and day so as not to be a burden to the people?"

Luther's question rings loud today. Perhaps the marking of a true man of God is a person's beholding to this same attitude as Paul. True ministers of the church are the parents of the church. They do not bleed from the meager resources of the children to fulfill their own lustful desires. True ministers are not in it for themselves. They are moved to win the lost at any cost. Selfishness and greed have become the cornerstone of the modern Charismatic and Word of Faith (WOF) movement. This must cease if we are to be about our Father's business.

In time Luther's actions brought him before the diet in Worms, Germany where he was ordered to recant what he had said and written. Luther responded:

"Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted and my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not retract anything, since it is neither safe nor right to go against conscience. I cannot do otherwise." (5)

Shortly after this famous speech the emperor signed the Edict of Worms, which declared Luther an outlaw and pardoned from punishment anyone who would kill him.

Luther took a stand on a biblical principle he held to be true. God's favor can not be bought or sold. Like Tetzel of old many modern preachers, mostly within the Charismatic movement and the WOF movement, in their greed and lust to build bigger buildings and bigger ministries have been selling God's favor using catchy phrases and twisted scriptures.

Most of the perversions fall under the terms of "seed faith" or "hundred fold return" teachings. The seed faith doctrine was made popular by Oral Roberts. Oral uses the phrase: "Have a need? Plant a seed!". According to Oral: "God himself has established the law of sowing and reaping, of giving and receiving. Under the New Covenant you can make every act of giving a seed planted which brings you into the SEED-FAITH lifestyle of sowing and reaping which I have been led to call 'A Blessing-Pact Covenant with God.'" (6)

What is SEED-FAITH and why is it a renewed selling of indulgences? Oral teaches: "The seed of giving is the seed of faith! And the seed has to be planted BEFORE we can speak to our mountain of need to be removed!" (7)

The doctrine of seed faith is giving to a need and expecting from God a return on that gift. Many even teach that you should name your seed before you plant it. They encourage you to put an amount of money into their offering and claim something in return, like your uncle's salvation or a miracle debt reduction. If you need a healing, plant a seed. If you need more money, plant a seed. How strangely similar to the selling of indulgences.

In many WOF services the "man of God" claims a special word from God that goes something like this: "Before coming to this meeting tonight I was praying in the Holy Ghost in my room and the Spirit of the Lord came on me strongly and revealed to me that there are many people here tonight that are in debt to the point that creditors are calling you up. Some of you have been paying late charges that should be going to advance the kingdom of God. God has told me today that if you obey him this night and plant a seed in faith of $100.00 God is going to get involved and your debt situation will be miraculously turned around! God will rebuke the devourer, and the cankerworm that has eaten holes in your pockets is being destroyed tonight as you give! In Jesus name!"

With promises like that how can one afford not to give! The WOF movement may not be guilty of claiming salvation in exchange for money but it sure does promise everything else in exchange for your giving.

As I was beginning to question the teachings of the WOF movement God brought a book across my path titled "From Ashes to Gold" by Patti Roberts. Knowing that Patti was the first wife of Richard Roberts and that they had a very public ministry before their very public divorce I thought I would read it. She gives the following reflections on the seed money teachings they preached:

"The seed-faith theology that Oral had developed bothered me a great deal because I saw that, when taken to its natural extremes, it reduced God to a sugar daddy. If you wanted His blessings and His love, you paid Him off. Over and over again we heard Oral say, 'Give out of your need.' I began to question the motivation that kind of giving implied. Were we giving to God out of our love and gratitude to Him or were we bartering with Him?" (8)

Patti goes on to write:

"The distinction may appear to be too subtle and I know Oral thought I was splitting hairs, but it seemed supremely important to me. If we give to God because we think that by giving we have somehow placed Him in our debt and He is now required to come through for us and meet our needs, we have, I believe, perverted the heart of the gospel. Our only motive for giving should be love. When we encourage people to give in order to have their needs met or so that they will receive "a hundred fold return" I believe we are appealing to their sense of greed or desperation, neither of which seemed admirable to me. It was a wonderful fund-raising tool, but I believe it gave people a very unbalanced view of a very important biblical principle. At the time I was taking a humanities course from the university and my professor was discussing Martin Luther and the Reformation. When we started looking at the abuses in the Catholic church that Luther had wanted to reform, I began to see parallels in our situation. Luther was incensed by the church's practice of selling indulgences - offering forgiveness of sin and a shorter period of time in purgatory in return for gifts to the church. I had a very difficult time distinguishing between the selling of indulgences and the concept of Seed Faith inflated to the degree to which we had inflated it. Of course, Oral was more subtle. He never promised salvation in exchange for gifts to his ministry, but there were still many people who believed that God was going to look at them in a kindlier way and perhaps that son would get off drugs or they would get their drunken husband into heaven if they gave money to Oral Roberts." (9)

How close is Seed-Faith to the selling of indulgences? Oral writes: "You know, I sometimes think we have put more faith in a coke machine than we do in God. When you put your coin in the machine you have a contract or covenant with the coke company and the maker of the dispensing machine. Therefore, the moment you put your coin in, you reach down expecting the can to come into your hand. Well, you have a contract or covenant with One greater than a coke machine. When you put in your SEED-FAITH you are to reach out your faith not to men, but to Jesus, expecting to receive more surely from Him than you do from the coke machine." (10)

Consider also this appeal for money: "If you're broke, if you're at your wit's end, if you're out of a job, out of work, let me tell ya. Not only are we gonna bless the world and preach Christ to millions and multitudes around the world, but you can be saved, yourself, by planting seed in this fertile soil called TBN." (11)

Any appeal for money that promises you something from God in return is not true biblical giving and is a perversion of the Gospel. It is a heresy liken unto the selling of indulgences and as Luther drew the line, we too, must draw the line. Salvation, God, and His benefits are not for sale.

Perhaps the greatest dangers of the seed faith theology is not in its similarities to Tetzel's selling of indulgences but its similarities to the metaphysical cults, specifically the Unity School of Christianity. At least one of Oral Roberts' devotionals from his "Guide to Seed-Faith Living" came from the Unity School of Christianity. (12)

The Unity School of Christianity was founded by Charles Fillmore in 1889 in Kansas City, Missouri. So the teachings of seed money were not invented by WOF founders but adopted from the cults.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not glorified at Church! The emphasis was on the False Apostle and not on the Lord. the False Apostle was unquestionably the center of attention at the church services I attended. He was the one demanding to be sought after! I consider it very tragic how the man dupes people into believing that he is a conduit for God's power. This means that it may be the Lord who takes the blame from some of the people who walk away from the man's performances wondering why they were not hearing the true gospel. Some may have been manipulated into believing they are to blame themselves thinking they did not have enough faith to warrant hearing it!

The False Apostle makes these remarkable and outlandish claims of great power, yet, as I have learned after seeing him in person, he cannot produce any of the same results either through words or actions. Nor can he produce any verification of his claims at all, which, by the way, should be numerous if he is what he portrays himself to be.

If the unChrist-like conduct I witnessed is representative of the man's overall ministry then a legitimate concern must also be raised regarding the spiritual health of the churches he has founded. Yet the False Apostles schedule seems to suggest that he has little or no concern for those churches he claims to have established. A real apostle and Godly shepherd, on the other hand, would devote himself to strengthening his flocks with sound teaching from the Bible supplemented with Godly practice. But I suppose it is more desirable for the man to acquire the generous "love" gifts ,tithes and honor however ill-gotten he is receiving from the many churches he claims to have planted.

Christians, beware! . . .

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."
(2 Corinthians 11:13-14)

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."
(Matthew 24:24)

"Judge righteous judgement."
(John 7:24)

"Expel the wicked man from among you."
(1 Corinthians 5:13)

(1) The New Apostolic Reformation by Inner-City Christian Discernment Ministry, 2000
This is the index page for a series of articles on the Apostolic Movement or, as C. Peter Wagner, self-proclaimed "apostle" calls it, "The New Apostolic Reformation". "The most dangerous purveyors of deception are today's restored apostles and prophets. Why? Because they purport to speak for our Lord and they claim to hold the greatest authority over the direction of the Church and the lives of God's people. These apostles & prophets are the people that the majority of the other leaders in the charismatic movement look to for new insights, revelation, and vision for the future of the Church. In the left hand column is a series of files which expose this most recent aberrant movement within charismania. Each page will have other "levels" of pages contained in them, like a Chinese puzzle box. So take the time to search through them! It will be eye opening. ICCDM has more information on the "Apostolic Movement" than any other web site."

(2) The World Christian Movement - Evangelism Vs. Evangelization by Albert James Dager, Media Spotlight, Volume 22 - Number 1 (Summer 1999)
"The Lord's prophecy concerning the greatest end-time deception should warn us that things are not always as they seem. For a deception to be so seductive that even the very elect would take pause to wonder if it is of God, it would have to have all the earmarks of a true work of God. That means it would come in the name of Jesus, it would have a great deal of solid biblical truth, it would affirm the Gospel, and it would be a "good work." And signs and wonders would accompany it. Those who might recognize and expose the deception would be looked upon as divisive, hateful and deceived themselves. For the most part, the churches would go along with the deception."

Fisher explored the world of tabloid prognosticators and how an undiscerning world is all too quick to “run after psychics and psychic predictions.” He also pointed out that an attraction for prophecy and future-telling, a longtime staple within Charismatic camps, has made inroads into Evangelical circles as well. Self-appointed prophets are cropping up everywhere. There is even a “National School of the Prophets Conference,” where for $175 you can be trained in the art of “propheteering.”

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:
because many false prophets are gone out into the world” - 1 John 4:1.

“And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” 2 Tim 4:4.

“Many shall follow their … ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you …” - 2 Peter 2: 2 & 3."

"One of the more recent false concept to sweep the Church, mainly the charismatic segment of the Body is the belief that the Church is to be in the business of "taking" their cities for Christ. As spiritual and high-minded as this sounds it is without any biblical support or historical precedent."

"The most dangerous purveyors of deception are today's restored apostles and prophets. Why? Because they purport to speak for our Lord and they claim to hold the greatest authority over the direction of the Church and the lives of God's people. These apostles & prophets are the people that the majority of the other leaders in the charismatic movement look to for new insights, revelation, and vision for the future of the Church.

Ostrasized; I'm really getting weary of all your posts. They are so long and repetitive. Maybe you could start a new thread "Aberrant Doctrinal Issues at TP" or something. Personally I want to read peiple's stories like the thread suggests....not read articles. I appreciate te work you have done, but not sure this is the most effective thread. Since you started posting multiple times a day, no one else is posting at all!