That newspaper is a shame, they probably misquoted her.

This is what probably happened, kid talks to leader, leader and student probably talking for 2-3 weeks, becomes "myspace" friends.
Then messages her "jr. high." friends on myspace about coming to youth. Trys to make it sound exciting, mom reads message, mom freaks out.
Now i disagree sharply with lots of the teaching that comes from TPC, but that was a great program. The fact that they believe in God makes no difference, if asked about it they can answer "Yes" or "No". From what i saw they never over stepped there bounds. Pitty this makes all Christians look bad.

The more and more we learn about Turning Point the more we discover how much of an embarrisment this church has become to the Christian community at large.

Do you people remember the TV ministry of Jim & Tammy Baker? Remember how Saturday Night Live would do skits lampooning Tammy and her condesending arrogant attitude or cry like a baby to show people that she caired. And they would not stop with that they would poke fun at how much make-up Tammy would wear.

Well turning point, your becoming that same joke!
No matter how good you felt having Tony visit your church.
No matter how good he made you feel sucking up to his self appointed apostleship and arrogants.
Even if Tony looked pastor David in eyes and tickeled his ears with some positive afformation.
The truth is being exposed!
That has been the prayer of thoes who oppose your false teachings Mr. Tony Cunningham that is our prayer Mr. Mike Villamor.
You cannot stop the truth!

I hope the Everett Herald does'nt find out that Pastor Mike is grooming children for future spiritual slaves and having them do all the work around the church working there butts off and then deceives them into not attending a real accredit college and gets them to attend the phony fake nonaccredit SOMA so he can brainwash them into giving up there future careers and taking time away from there families. All in the name of the Lord! Shame on you Pastor Mike! The youth group might be ok, but its Mikes hidden desires that worrys me!



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That newspaper is a shame, they probably misquoted her.

This is what probably happened, kid talks to leader, leader and student probably talking for 2-3 weeks, becomes "myspace" friends.
Then messages her "jr. high." friends on myspace about coming to youth. Trys to make it sound exciting, mom reads message, mom freaks out.
Now i disagree sharply with lots of the teaching that comes from TPC, but that was a great program. The fact that they believe in God makes no difference, if asked about it they can answer "Yes" or "No". From what i saw they never over stepped there bounds. Pitty this makes all Christians look bad.

If the newspaper is misquoting her, then it would be jeopardizing itself greatly: a libel lawsuit is something newspapers work hard NOT to get themselves into. These are quotes, my friend, in QUOTATION MARKS. That means they are DIRECT QUOTES, verbatim.

First of all, the church leaders should be briefing the on-campus workers FULLY about what is legal and what is not in their interactions with the kids. Also, the flattering that the youth campus leader uses in the MySpace invite is typical of the kind of flattery TP continually engages in to elicit desired behaviors in its followers. "You're cool," the youth leader tells the 11 year old. (What happens if this kid hears the true Gospel when they come to the meeting? Is that a bait and switch, or what?) Why not give a meaningful encouragement, such as, "You'd be a welcome addition to the group," and how about the transportation issue? "I'd be really happy to give you a ride if your parents say its OK with them. You can have them call me." But the spiritual parenting mentality--that spiritual issues trump parental authority--is still alive and well.

All that has been modeled to the youth is coming out unconsciously in their behaviors, words, and attitudes. The apple truly does not fall far from the tree.

I know Ms. Masten. She's an honest and very agreeable young woman. I believe wholeheartedly that she has the best of intentions, but I also believe that her trust is thorough in TP. It doesn't occur to her that the statement about TP being a church that, unlike other churches, truly cares might sound arrogant to outsiders--to the person interviewing her as well as to those who will later read the statement. That's part of the message the leadership continually gives, implicitly and explicitly: their church is the best, and there's not another one that comes close. I'm aware that this is the only church Ms. Masten has really known, so she is not qualified to make that statement from personal experience. But it's what she's been told over and over and over by those in leadership whom she trusts, until it's become a "given" in her frame of reference. Case in point: I happen to attend a very caring church in the vicinity. I know of several others. So what I'm saying is that there are many young people like Ms. Masten at TP who are hearing the same narcissistic messages leadership puts out there to convince everyone that they can't possibly hope to find a better situation than the one they are in. It's sad as you think of those who believe it, and nauseating when you think of those who are perpetuating it.

You can hear this same message of narcissim in the new SOMA video. Consider how much credit Jesus gets in this video. Is He even in the picture? Wait until the very end when Mike says something like, "And it shows no signs of slowing down." [www.youtube.com]

Testimony #1: Ask this man how those closest to him felt about his early retirement to attend SOMA and whether he took their concerns into consideration or if Mike's opinion was more important to him than those who would be most impacted by the decision.
Testimony #2: Ask this young woman how her parents responded to her dropping out of college in her senior year. Ask yourself what is so wrong with bringing justice to the people of "the world," with fighting for justice in any situation? Also ask, who on earth boasts about their own humility? Can we say "oxymoron"?
Testimony #3: How do you think this woman's husband and children feel when they hear her wondering what her REAL Kingdom purpose is? She kind of comes 'round to it in the end, but only after SOMA gives her what she needs.

Anyone else find this video disturbing both for what it lacks and for what it reveals?

PS: I have to admit that I'm more than a mere acquaintence of Ms. Masten, and I hope I have not hurt or offended her by this post. I love her dearly. To be honest, I wish I could stand her outside of the cocoon she's in so that she could gain some valuable perspective. She's a gem in so many ways--heart, mind, and soul. All God's best to her. With all sincerity. LP

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Testimony #1: Ask this man how those closest to him felt about his early retirement to attend SOMA and whether he took their concerns into consideration or if Mike's opinion was more important to him than those who would be most impacted by the decision.
Testimony #2: Ask this young woman how her parents responded to her dropping out of college in her senior year. Ask yourself what is so wrong with bringing justice to the people of "the world," with fighting for justice in any situation? Also ask, who on earth boasts about their own humility? Can we say "oxymoron"?
Testimony #3: How do you think this woman's husband and children feel when they hear her wondering what her REAL Kingdom purpose is? She kind of comes 'round to it in the end, but only after SOMA gives her what she needs.

Anyone else find this video disturbing both for what it lacks and for what it reveals?

How many young men and women gave up REAL college degrees for SOMA? How many were just a few credits away from graduating? It makes me sick.



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That newspaper is a shame, they probably misquoted her.

This is what probably happened, kid talks to leader, leader and student probably talking for 2-3 weeks, becomes "myspace" friends.
Then messages her "jr. high." friends on myspace about coming to youth. Trys to make it sound exciting, mom reads message, mom freaks out.
Now i disagree sharply with lots of the teaching that comes from TPC, but that was a great program. The fact that they believe in God makes no difference, if asked about it they can answer "Yes" or "No". From what i saw they never over stepped there bounds. Pitty this makes all Christians look bad.

If the newspaper is misquoting her, then it would be jeopardizing itself greatly: a libel lawsuit is something newspapers work hard NOT to get themselves into. These are quotes, my friend, in QUOTATION MARKS. That means they are DIRECT QUOTES, verbatim.

First of all, the church leaders should be briefing the on-campus workers FULLY about what is legal and what is not in their interactions with the kids. Also, the flattering that the youth campus leader uses in the MySpace invite is typical of the kind of flattery TP continually engages in to elicit desired behaviors in its followers. "You're cool," the youth leader tells the 11 year old. (What happens if this kid hears the true Gospel when they come to the meeting? Is that a bait and switch, or what?) Why not give a meaningful encouragement, such as, "You'd be a welcome addition to the group," and how about the transportation issue? "I'd be really happy to give you a ride if your parents say its OK with them. You can have them call me." But the spiritual parenting mentality--that spiritual issues trump parental authority--is still alive and well.

All that has been modeled to the youth is coming out unconsciously in their behaviors, words, and attitudes. The apple truly does not fall far from the tree.

I know Ms. Masten. She's an honest and very agreeable young woman. I believe wholeheartedly that she has the best of intentions, but I also believe that her trust is thorough in TP. It doesn't occur to her that the statement about TP being a church that, unlike other churches, truly cares might sound arrogant to outsiders--to the person interviewing her as well as to those who will later read the statement. That's part of the message the leadership continually gives, implicitly and explicitly: their church is the best, and there's not another one that comes close. I'm aware that this is the only church Ms. Masten has really known, so she is not qualified to make that statement from personal experience. But it's what she's been told over and over and over by those in leadership whom she trusts, until it's become a "given" in her frame of reference. Case in point: I happen to attend a very caring church in the vicinity. I know of several others. So what I'm saying is that there are many young people like Ms. Masten at TP who are hearing the same narcissistic messages leadership puts out there to convince everyone that they can't possibly hope to find a better situation than the one they are in. It's sad as you think of those who believe it, and nauseating when you think of those who are perpetuating it.

You can hear this same message of narcissim in the new SOMA video. Consider how much credit Jesus gets in this video. Is He even in the picture? Wait until the very end when Mike says something like, "And it shows no signs of slowing down." [www.youtube.com]

Testimony #1: Ask this man how those closest to him felt about his early retirement to attend SOMA and whether he took their concerns into consideration or if Mike's opinion was more important to him than those who would be most impacted by the decision.
Testimony #2: Ask this young woman how her parents responded to her dropping out of college in her senior year. Ask yourself what is so wrong with bringing justice to the people of "the world," with fighting for justice in any situation? Also ask, who on earth boasts about their own humility? Can we say "oxymoron"?
Testimony #3: How do you think this woman's husband and children feel when they hear her wondering what her REAL Kingdom purpose is? She kind of comes 'round to it in the end, but only after SOMA gives her what she needs.

Anyone else find this video disturbing both for what it lacks and for what it reveals?

PS: I have to admit that I'm more than a mere acquaintence of Ms. Masten, and I hope I have not hurt or offended her by this post. I love her dearly. To be honest, I wish I could stand her outside of the cocoon she's in so that she could gain some valuable perspective. She's a gem in so many ways--heart, mind, and soul. All God's best to her. With all sincerity. LP

Dear learningpoint,

It is possiable that it was not in context, but then again you have gone to TPC, you don't have to take things out of context to make the church look bad. Which i think is sad, because it makes the church look bad as a whole. I also agree with your view on how leaders should be taught how to invite someone to church with out offending the parents, and the PR stuff of not talking about God, but aknowedging the exsitence or non-exsitence.

Well farewell fourm
Forgiveness

Dear learningpoint,

It is possiable that it was not in context, but then again you have gone to TPC, you don't have to take things out of context to make the church look bad. Which i think is sad, because it makes the church look bad as a whole. I also agree with your view on how leaders should be taught how to invite someone to church with out offending the parents, and the PR stuff of not talking about God, but aknowedging the exsitence or non-exsitence.

Well farewell fourm
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Farewell?

yeah, did you also hear how pastor mike said "soma has been an AMAZING DEPOSIT" is he meaning in peoples lives or in money in HIS pocket?? hmm.. yeah..