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radaph
The man is gruff and blunt, no doubt. But the concept of the churches being dependant on their pastors is very much a biblical concept.
Pastors are called "shepherds" in the bible.
Sheep need a shepherd, and they depend on him.
If we could get all we need from just reading the bible for ourselves, we wouldn't need pastors and teachers. But the bible makes it clear that the Holy Spirit distributes said gifts for the building up of the church. So is He wasting his time, and would be better off distributing bibles instead?
If you have a problem with this concept, your problem is with the bible, not with Bob Thieme.
RADAPH,
Thanks for this.
YOU SAID:
The man is gruff and blunt, no doubt. But the concept of the churches being dependant on their pastors is very much a biblical concept.
Pastors are called "shepherds" in the bible.
Sheep need a shepherd, and they depend on him.
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Gruff and blunt is not the issue. The issue is IS IT TRUE AS HE TAUGHT IT? And being DEPENDENT ON PASTORS as Thieme teaches it is NOT IN THE BIBLE.
Sheep do need SHEPHERDS, but the shepherds do not PREDIGEST THE GRASS FOR THE SHEEP AND FEED THEM THE RESULT as if it were unadulterated and pure grass.
A shepherd leads the sheep to the GRASS in PASTURES that are safe and nourishing. We are to FEED DIRECTLY ON THE WORD, not depend on someone else's SPOON FEEDING it to us through his personal study, nowever educated he may be.
YOU SAID:
If we could get all we need from just reading the bible for ourselves, we wouldn't need pastors and teachers. But the bible makes it clear that the Holy Spirit distributes said gifts for the building up of the church. So is He wasting his time, and would be better off distributing bibles instead?
REPLY:
I notice you have not cited one scripture to sustain your claims. Why not?
We do have pastors and teachers, but they do not take the place of the HOLY SPIRIT AND THE WORD AS OUR FOOD. NOBODY should be spoon feeding PREDIGESTED RESULTS OF THEIR STUDY TO YOU AS YOUR ONLY SOURCE OF TRUTH.
You have the RIGHT and the OBLIGATION to EXAMINE ALL THINGS, hold fast to that which is good. If the Bible was not your source and standard of truth, what do you suppose men have died for through the ages to preserve it and to give it to you in English?
Like the Bereans of old, who tested all the Apostle Paul said TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT HE SAID TO THEM WAS SO, the only measure they had available to them were THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD, at that time they probably had only the written JEWISH SCRIPTURES. And Paul COMMENDED THEM FOR IT. Unfortunately, Thieme's ministry does no such thing.
YOU SAID:
If you have a problem with this concept, your problem is with the bible, not with Bob Thieme
REPLY:
Your comment equates THE BIBLE WITH BOB THIEME'S TEACHING. Do you see how wrong that is? What Bob Thieme teaches is to his faithful followers, IS BIBLE DOCTRINE, which puts the words of a man and makes them equal to Scripture.
Thank you though for continuing to share your thoughts.
Sistersoap