Re: R.B. Thieme Jr.
Date: January 18, 2008 09:03PM
kcjones;
"However all I was doing was showing the FALLACY of Bob's Logic, and I don't believe in that
sin-unto-death crap, and you shouldn't either."
Aren't you the advocate of reading your Bible kc?
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give
him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall
pray for it." 1Jn5:16
"I have no bitterness, you don't know me..."
Noted. You don't know me either, kc, so assuming I don't read the Bible is a guess.
I stand corrected. Peter denied Christ, but you'll have to enlighten me about Jonah. Whatever
I said that you took exception to aside, my point was that he went to great lengths to avoid
confronting the Assyrians.
"By the way, if you take your leave, I've got one word for you: CHICKEN"
**chuckle** What kind of chicken? Bantum roosters are plucky little devils. (talk about
misdirection!) Actually, I am too much the other way, and I've reined myself in of late.
Arguing about strongly held beliefs that oppose my own is very frustrating, a reaction
that I'm sure my antagonists feel about me. :O)
Mile2
The verse you cite mandates that a minister have one wife. That appears to be a prohibition
of poligamy to me. It doesn't say he can't be divorced, but then for those who are bent on
slamming some guy it seems a reasonable place to start.
Truthtesty
"KC is quite correct. If someone had turned away from Thieme's false teachings and developed
Alzheimer's, "Sin-unto-Death" is exactly what Thieme and thiemites would claim of the stricken
Alzheimer's patient - WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE!"
**wince** Look who's accusing others of extreme prejudice! Shakespear would say; "Physician,
heal thyself"! I know several people who have left Thieme's ministry, and some of them remain
my close friends. Do you recall what Bob teaches about the privacy of the priesthood, or were
you reading you comic books while he spoke? We all have the prerogative to choose a pastor as
we see fit, and no ridicule should be forthcoming. You presume too much. Let's stick to what has
actually been said, TT, not what you assume might be said.
On the topic of suffering, in whatever form it might take, and whatever circumstances attend it,
just because a person contrats a disease, or suffers some catastrophe, it doesn't necessarily
follow that he is being judged by God. Job's friends made the mistake of assuming that. Add
to Job's experiences those of Daniel, Joseph, David, Moses, Paul, etc., etc., etc. Misfortune
is part and parcel of thie veil of tears. The question is; where are we in standing with God
when we encounter problems?
In many cases God allows misfortune to befall us as a testemony to the power of His Word in
our souls. It glorifies Him when we endure and overcome. Where Bob is concerned, he has
forgotten alot (a blessing, some would say), but when he prays he is still sharp and on target,
which is evidence that the filling of God the Holy Spirit trumps even a dire physical ailment such
as he has.
kcjones
I am dead serious when I say that I am sorry for your inlaw's misfortune, kc, but I don't know
them, and haven't the slightest idea of the circumstances. It comes to mind, however, that we
are all victims of our own folly, to a great extent, and I lay the blame for much of what happens
to everyone, of an adverse nature, to that malpratice. Don't jump to conclusions! I'm not
assuming that they are screwed up, but we all share a common ailment, the human condition,
and that accounts for most of our suffering.
You say you don't know Bob Thieme, so I assume that you base your opinion of him on the word
of other people. At first blush, I find this a tad odd, for a man who professes to be an independent
thinker, but I can understand that you would accept as true what your loved ones claim is true.
Those denunciations are also reinforced by such sites as this one, and the venemous pronouncements
of TT and his allies.
So let's pursue the charge of "chicken", shall we old boy? In way of absolute proof of what you think
you already know, listen to some tapes of Bob's for one week, and then give me a blow by blow
run down of what you disagree with. Fair enough? His tapes are free, and can be aquired on the
Berachah website, but you have to navigate to his tapes, and not Bobby's.
I would very much enjoy jousting with you about issues that you have recognized first hand, and have
not just taken the word of others about.