Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
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thereporter
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Date: September 03, 2009 03:17PM
To The Forum/Moderator:
You may review all my posts as they by and large are about Gnosticism/Theime/The Integrity of God, Cult Like Behavior/His Method, Observations of followers, Observations of Thieme/tapes/reading his books, experience, and Sodini connections and questions of influence regarding the aforementioned. Only when I have been asked questions, I answer them. And attempt a re-direct like the last correspondence with Sistersoap or intervene regarding a question of offensive slur as perhaps not an understanding to continue.
It is crystal clear even in repetition or clarification what I am addressing and that is what this forum sub-heading is, A Destructive Church.
Sistersoap I have taken your insinuations, in-directs, perhaps displacement, and nickname or name calling brush-offs with respect to the VERY ISSUES we are discussing now and in part I raised. Sometimes a fresh perspective revives and connects with older discussions and provides focus or adds something. I know exactly who I am and did not just wander in as a crossed-eyed stray.b]
This last comment however, "Thieme followers go absolutely everywhere over the spiritual apectrum when they exit. If one comes here testifying of his atheism after Thieme, are you saying we can't comment on that because it is off topic?" is over the line.
You have made a lot of assumptions regarding me and a huge one "Theime follower" and if you are insinuating "Athiest" disguised as a hypo "If one comes..." Sister, you should reread my posts.
Your painting of people who come to this forum with substantive arguments, analysis, evidence, experience, or documentation is either marginalizing them or "all over the place" victims who probably couldn't tie their shoe laces, is pedestrian and transparent.
The Moderator has the capacity to distinguish a comment made in context of a discussion and one re-quoted and taken out of context.
Moderator
I am not going to go through and re-quote all the in-directs and slides to me or others in this forum I already notice, most recently, to Orange, that neither give a refutation or a support. Just a thanks for sharing and marginalizing through innuendo regarding Sistersoap. This needs to be diffused. Thank you.
'the reporter'
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Orange and Truthtesty,
Replying to Truthtesty's request regarding where I drew parallels to Theime and Gnosticism in the NASB version, I need to correct number 2 as I left something out in the second posting of this diatribe.
And, Truthtesty send me your commentary on the scriptures I sight from 1 John because I don't have your version. I like to see what the transmission is cherry picking from...I used the NIV before. And, observing people at Berachah they used all types of versions. Theime III would quote from the King James at times.
2. Salvation is the escape from the body ("Overcoming Sin Nature of our physical bodies" as the Colonel harped constantly and even wrote a hymn about it)
Correction:
2. Salvation is the escape from the body achieved by not by faith in Christ but by special knowledge (the Greek word for "knowlege" gnosis, hence Gnosticism).
It is number 2 in my original post the reason I say "EPINOSIS sound familiar Theimeites!?"
Like I said, this heresy as I am not a Theologian and or familiar with all Cult or heretical breaking offs it is not a direct mirror to Theime's but later more intricately developed systems were developed in second and third centuries...and perhaps beyond is my question, assertion, and found Theime's system to be close enough for me as heresy. Though I did not need to find this to know this was a Destructive Church with some major issues. But, here's the abbreviated parallels.
1. The Colonel's pseudoscience was a parallel because of his dualistic belief of total separation from God as humans were spiritually dead with the evil inherited sin nature of Adam. His premise in The Integrity of God and throughout all teaching and tapes. "We must recognize that the sin nature is not endemic to the soul but resides instead in the cell structure of the human body." - Integrity of God?
2. Salvation an escape from the body, the spiritually dead and evil inherited sin nature body, through Salvation from Christ and "epinosis" of doctrine. - Integrity of God?
3. Christ's true humanity was denied in two ways at this time that does not apply to Theime's system. Though, Christ's true humanity as has been argued and analyzed by myself, and many others in this forum, as something Theime failed to focus on at large. Faith in Christ is bigger than Salvation through Christ.
4. Since the body was considered evil, spiritually dead matter and treated harshly "ascetic". I drew parallels to his method, framework, harsh, no emotion, and militaristic focus. Even though starting with his premise he resolved this dualism and seperation from God through Salvation in Christ, he continued as if the body was still spiritually dead matter primarily focusing on "epinosis" of doctrine.
5. Pardoxically, this dualism also led to licentiousness and breaking of God's law and no moral consequence. The parallel I draw is that his premise of dualism, total seperation of God from the spiritually dead with the inherited sin nature of Adam in our cell structure, necessitated Salvation from Christ as a bridge to Perfection, and therefore by Grace alone we were saved. Righteousness or works were moot as spiritually dead and seperated anyways. The Colonel had a habit of associating righteousness and good plus post-salvation righteousness and good, or embodying the Bible's message especially Christ's message as:
"Perhaps you are beginning to see that what truly impresses God and what you may have assumed impresses Him are two different things. Imperfect, sinful man has nothing to offer God that is worthy of His love. Even after salvation, we cannot earn divine approbation or blessing. The only things we have that please God are what God Himself has given us, first at the moment of salvation and subsequently through the filling of the Spirit and intake of doctrine." - Integrity of God?
My commentary interlude:
EPINOSIS OF DOCTRINE ANYONE??? God was not pleased whatsoever with what he created because he made a huge mistake. So why do anything regarding the laws of God, righteousness, good, or Christ-like because what impresses God is God as He is Perfect Righteousness. And He is not even impressed with Himself really at this point. Because even after God Man comes down to Earth and does all those good and Perfect Righteousness acts, as the vanguard of humility, good, forgiveness, and tolerance...... The Colonel's definition of Perfect Righteousness is not Perfect Righteousness.
God is only pleased with God, Not pleased with His creation, AND YET not pleased with Himself, and therefore His sole purpose is to die.
He's got God taking a nose dive off a skyscraper based on his formula which Necessitates this... Rather, than Salvation based on what is in the scriptures as a gift, sacrifice, to save mankind. And, he has humans swallowing all the pills in their medicine cabinet, self-destruction, or licentiousness, a bonafide license to really do some bad stuff.
Sooner or later you must learn two things, so you might as well be prepared for the shock. You have to learn first of all, that God is not impressed with you. He is not pleased with your self-righteousness, your personality, your talent, all the human good deeds you perform. He is not excited even a little about what you were, are, or plan to become. And that is the second thing: Not only is He unimpressed with you now, but He will never be impressed with you. It is an absolute impossibility for you to make any kind of positive impression on God. You and I have no ability to attract His love. We lack the talent, brains, the personality, and especially the righteousness; not even our very best can make the grade. - Integrity of God?
Made in God's image, God did not like His image. This is probably why Theimeite's have issues with emulating Christ's humanity or feeling God's love. Though not perfect our human talents, personality, plan, potential...Our human make-up is of no consequence to our Creator.
The Colonel's dogma goes on and I understand the complexities of it....unfortunately. After, the three prong God, Perfect Righteousness (which does not include a lot of righteous behavior), Justice as the Point of Contact for Humans, and Love the Motivation....This arrangement is based on his premise.
thereporter