Re: R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
()
Date: April 23, 2009 11:12PM
First of all, I would like to apologize to truthseeky for picking such a similar user name. I did not see your username on the postings until after I had already requested truthseek. I asked to change my username as soon as I saw yours but apparently that is not allowed.
I was thinking recently of my time at Berachah church and out of curiosity I looked on the web to see if anyone had any similar experiences to mine. When I found this website I was amazed to see how many people felt the same way as I did about Theme's teachings.
Some of my family is still listening to Thieme’s tapes and are very affected by his teachings. I am at a loss at how to deal with this. If anyone can help me with this I would be most grateful.
I grew up in Berachah Church. We went M-F and twice on Sunday. Sometimes we went to a Saturday movie that Thieme sometimes showed at his church. As a child I accepted every single word Thieme spoke as truth. My family idolized him and modeled their parenting on his personality and teachings. If anyone disagreed with Thieme I was outraged and would condescendingly correct the person and attempt to lead them to Thieme’s teaching.
My family had many problems and fought constantly. I had seen therapists before and had discussed my family’s behavior but no therapist ever could figure out where the problems were coming from.
However, when I read the email that Truthtesty wrote [forum.culteducation.com] concerning Berachah’s cult characteristics and the effect that the mind control techniques used by Thieme has on the personality I was shocked. The complete disintegration and submission of personality mirrored the situation in my family exactly. Truthtesty’s description of people in the church who take on Thieme’s personality after he has broken down theirs shocked me. I just sat their staring at the email thinking “how did you know, how did you know?” For the first time in my life I understood what had been happening to my family.
I began to think back to my experiences at Berachah. I remember once that a family friend went to Thieme’s office before the service to ask a question on a point of doctrine from the previous sermon. Thieme had aggressively trashed my friend so badly that he was too traumatized to ever tell us exactly what had been said to him or what he had asked. My parents were shocked but they seemed to view it as – great men are allowed their eccentricities. Another time, a woman stood up in church and called Thieme a false prophet. The entire congregation had laughed in unison. Theme had then ordered the police in uniform stationed at every door to remove her from the church. If a person ever got up and left during the sermon Thieme would order the police to stop that person and find out why they were leaving.
Once when one of my family was told about a suicide at the church they remarked that there had been a lot of suicides at the church. I didn’t ask what was meant by this so I never knew who the other suicides were. A few of the children from families that I knew had learning, emotional, and social problems that were remarkably similar.
Thieme made many derogatory comments about other churches. The only church that taught the truth according to Thieme was Berachah. Thieme also made a number of racist comments about black people. He seemed to stop about the time a black couple started attending the church. Thieme said many horrible things about other people.
Throughout my childhood I tried obsessively to believe what Thieme taught largely to please my parents and gain their approval. I also believed that I would be cut off from God if I did not accept his teachings. I confessed my sins constantly. I had a feeling of panic all the time that I may have missed a sin. Then I became afraid that I had not confessed with the correct format and this would cause God to reject me. I could not remember whether I was supposed to pray to Jesus or God the father and which one was I meant to say amen to. It was many years before I realized that all members of the trinity must have heard me since they were all one being.
One thing I could not figure out was why God gave you peace, happiness, joy and love that did not feel like peace, happiness, joy and love. I could not understand what God actually did for people. Everyone I knew was cold, unloving, afraid, and depressed a lot of the time. I could not work out how the feeling of peace that church members talked about looked the same as anxiety and why people seemed depressed while they said they were in a state of joyful happiness and why were so many of the families around me did not get along while they claimed to be experiencing a feeling of brotherly love. I could not understand where the forgiveness and tolerance that Thieme would sometimes mention actually fit in to his teachings. Most of all, I wondered what the love was that I kept hearing about when I read the bible. I listened to Thieme’s tapes at home running the same sections over and over trying to force the belief to come. I felt a horrible feeling of desperation and guilt when I did this.
Eventually I admitted to myself that I did not believe most of the teachings about God that I had grown up with. It occurred to me that perhaps I was not the problem but that there was something wrong with Christianity. I reasoned that if God was so uptight, judgemental, intolerant and oppressive how exactly was spending an eternity with Him heaven? So I told God to drop dead with a few paragraphs of colourful language and cut myself off from anyone who mentioned God.
So I commenced on a life of “scar tissue of the soul and reversionism”. I did not confess one sin for many years simply because I actually forgot about the rebound process. But I did not die the “sin unto death”. It seems that although I had turned my back on God He had not left me.
In time I began to experience a desire to find the TRUTH. I developed a voracious hunger for it. I devoured every single piece of knowledge on God I could find regardless of what it was. I read cases against the existence of Jesus and cases for the existence of Jesus. I read writings from every spiritual belief system I could find including things that I had been taught would result in an eternity in hell. Slowly I discovered a God who came to me with embracing acceptance and patience without end. A God who did not judge me, restrict me, or leave me for not doing thing “perfectly”. I now realize that during my time at Berachah I had confused God with Bob Thieme.
If there is one thing I can see now as I look at Thieme’s teachings from a distance is that he removed love from his ministry. Since God describes himself as “God is love” over and over in the bible, Thieme has taken God out of his ministry. I can tell you from the personal experience of knowing Jesus “God is love”. The personal, emotional, heartfelt kind of love, not the in your head, anthropomorphism, we are the target of God’s justice kind of love taught by Theme. Also, another thing that stands out in my memory of Thieme’s teaching is the double talk he always used. He would teach 2 opposing views on many issues. One example is that he would encourage people to leave the church if they did not agree with his teachings. Then Theme would teach that anyone who leaves his church was in reversionism. This was his special term for being cut off from God and in a state of spiritual decline. Thieme would also teach about “turning the other cheek” while applauding the use of the atomic bomb on Japan in WWII. This habit of giving 2 opposite beliefs on so many issues confused me as a child. Also, I see that when Thieme’s teachings are challenged Thiemites often use the fact that Thieme has also taught the opposite view to defend Thieme.
Some of my family is still listen to Thieme’s tapes. I am at a loss at how to deal with this. If anyone can help me with this I would be most grateful.
I was thinking recently of my time at Berachah church and out of curiosity I looked on the web to see if anyone had any similar experiences to mine. When I found this website I was amazed to see how many people felt the same way as I did about Theme's teachings.
Some of my family is still listening to Thieme’s tapes and are very affected by his teachings. I am at a loss at how to deal with this. If anyone can help me with this I would be most grateful.
I grew up in Berachah Church. We went M-F and twice on Sunday. Sometimes we went to a Saturday movie that Thieme sometimes showed at his church. As a child I accepted every single word Thieme spoke as truth. My family idolized him and modeled their parenting on his personality and teachings. If anyone disagreed with Thieme I was outraged and would condescendingly correct the person and attempt to lead them to Thieme’s teaching.
My family had many problems and fought constantly. I had seen therapists before and had discussed my family’s behavior but no therapist ever could figure out where the problems were coming from.
However, when I read the email that Truthtesty wrote [forum.culteducation.com] concerning Berachah’s cult characteristics and the effect that the mind control techniques used by Thieme has on the personality I was shocked. The complete disintegration and submission of personality mirrored the situation in my family exactly. Truthtesty’s description of people in the church who take on Thieme’s personality after he has broken down theirs shocked me. I just sat their staring at the email thinking “how did you know, how did you know?” For the first time in my life I understood what had been happening to my family.
I began to think back to my experiences at Berachah. I remember once that a family friend went to Thieme’s office before the service to ask a question on a point of doctrine from the previous sermon. Thieme had aggressively trashed my friend so badly that he was too traumatized to ever tell us exactly what had been said to him or what he had asked. My parents were shocked but they seemed to view it as – great men are allowed their eccentricities. Another time, a woman stood up in church and called Thieme a false prophet. The entire congregation had laughed in unison. Theme had then ordered the police in uniform stationed at every door to remove her from the church. If a person ever got up and left during the sermon Thieme would order the police to stop that person and find out why they were leaving.
Once when one of my family was told about a suicide at the church they remarked that there had been a lot of suicides at the church. I didn’t ask what was meant by this so I never knew who the other suicides were. A few of the children from families that I knew had learning, emotional, and social problems that were remarkably similar.
Thieme made many derogatory comments about other churches. The only church that taught the truth according to Thieme was Berachah. Thieme also made a number of racist comments about black people. He seemed to stop about the time a black couple started attending the church. Thieme said many horrible things about other people.
Throughout my childhood I tried obsessively to believe what Thieme taught largely to please my parents and gain their approval. I also believed that I would be cut off from God if I did not accept his teachings. I confessed my sins constantly. I had a feeling of panic all the time that I may have missed a sin. Then I became afraid that I had not confessed with the correct format and this would cause God to reject me. I could not remember whether I was supposed to pray to Jesus or God the father and which one was I meant to say amen to. It was many years before I realized that all members of the trinity must have heard me since they were all one being.
One thing I could not figure out was why God gave you peace, happiness, joy and love that did not feel like peace, happiness, joy and love. I could not understand what God actually did for people. Everyone I knew was cold, unloving, afraid, and depressed a lot of the time. I could not work out how the feeling of peace that church members talked about looked the same as anxiety and why people seemed depressed while they said they were in a state of joyful happiness and why were so many of the families around me did not get along while they claimed to be experiencing a feeling of brotherly love. I could not understand where the forgiveness and tolerance that Thieme would sometimes mention actually fit in to his teachings. Most of all, I wondered what the love was that I kept hearing about when I read the bible. I listened to Thieme’s tapes at home running the same sections over and over trying to force the belief to come. I felt a horrible feeling of desperation and guilt when I did this.
Eventually I admitted to myself that I did not believe most of the teachings about God that I had grown up with. It occurred to me that perhaps I was not the problem but that there was something wrong with Christianity. I reasoned that if God was so uptight, judgemental, intolerant and oppressive how exactly was spending an eternity with Him heaven? So I told God to drop dead with a few paragraphs of colourful language and cut myself off from anyone who mentioned God.
So I commenced on a life of “scar tissue of the soul and reversionism”. I did not confess one sin for many years simply because I actually forgot about the rebound process. But I did not die the “sin unto death”. It seems that although I had turned my back on God He had not left me.
In time I began to experience a desire to find the TRUTH. I developed a voracious hunger for it. I devoured every single piece of knowledge on God I could find regardless of what it was. I read cases against the existence of Jesus and cases for the existence of Jesus. I read writings from every spiritual belief system I could find including things that I had been taught would result in an eternity in hell. Slowly I discovered a God who came to me with embracing acceptance and patience without end. A God who did not judge me, restrict me, or leave me for not doing thing “perfectly”. I now realize that during my time at Berachah I had confused God with Bob Thieme.
If there is one thing I can see now as I look at Thieme’s teachings from a distance is that he removed love from his ministry. Since God describes himself as “God is love” over and over in the bible, Thieme has taken God out of his ministry. I can tell you from the personal experience of knowing Jesus “God is love”. The personal, emotional, heartfelt kind of love, not the in your head, anthropomorphism, we are the target of God’s justice kind of love taught by Theme. Also, another thing that stands out in my memory of Thieme’s teaching is the double talk he always used. He would teach 2 opposing views on many issues. One example is that he would encourage people to leave the church if they did not agree with his teachings. Then Theme would teach that anyone who leaves his church was in reversionism. This was his special term for being cut off from God and in a state of spiritual decline. Thieme would also teach about “turning the other cheek” while applauding the use of the atomic bomb on Japan in WWII. This habit of giving 2 opposite beliefs on so many issues confused me as a child. Also, I see that when Thieme’s teachings are challenged Thiemites often use the fact that Thieme has also taught the opposite view to defend Thieme.
Some of my family is still listen to Thieme’s tapes. I am at a loss at how to deal with this. If anyone can help me with this I would be most grateful.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
orangeperuviscacha
()
Date: April 24, 2009 09:20AM
Truthseek I have sent you a private message.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
()
Date: April 24, 2009 11:10AM
To Truthseeker:
I commend you on your strength for seeking the truth, and not wallowing (as so many other do) weakly in the corruption of Thieme's rhetoric, which was designed for you to illicit a false confession of "truth" to yourself, in place of the truth. It was designed to torture you until you breakdown. And when you do and you are in this child-like suggestive weak state every little suggestion Thieme spoke seemed "god-like". The danger of not seeing this cult is that Thieme mixed much "truth" with his cult error. You like many confused Thieme with God so much to the point that you had to reject "-od" to vomit Thieme out of your system. Thieme falsely equated his own authority with that of the Holy Spirit's authority. Though Thieme never stated so directly, his false teaching of "Right pastor" does.
This, although reality, is much like the Matrix. Some thiemites have become so dependent on Thieme's unnecessary and over-complicated Matrix, they are just to weak (weakened by corrupt submission to Thieme) to face the truth. I know people from both sides who some are too weak while others have "broken the chains". It boils down to true guts (not Thieme's cowardly paper tiger growling for the Houston police to escort someone who disagreed with Thieme from Thieme's temple) and the simple truth itself. The truth is available. Do not be afraid to confront Thieme, thiemites, or any of Thieme's co-conspirators in Koine Greek. Thieme's system was a sham. Thieme translated from greek to Ultra right wing politics, not English. Remember also that Thieme hid behind over-complications. And they were totally unecessary for the truth, but totally necessary for Thieme's ultra-right wing agenda.
If a thiemite challenges you, send them to me or send their challenges by e-mail to me. I would more than happy to challenge them and show them the truth as I have done so many times on this website. Many a thiemite has left this site with tail between their legs and their mouth strangely quiet.
I am just one member of this site. There are others here who can also help you in their own way of helping.
Your apology is not accepted because it is not necessary. I like your name.
Truthtesty
I commend you on your strength for seeking the truth, and not wallowing (as so many other do) weakly in the corruption of Thieme's rhetoric, which was designed for you to illicit a false confession of "truth" to yourself, in place of the truth. It was designed to torture you until you breakdown. And when you do and you are in this child-like suggestive weak state every little suggestion Thieme spoke seemed "god-like". The danger of not seeing this cult is that Thieme mixed much "truth" with his cult error. You like many confused Thieme with God so much to the point that you had to reject "-od" to vomit Thieme out of your system. Thieme falsely equated his own authority with that of the Holy Spirit's authority. Though Thieme never stated so directly, his false teaching of "Right pastor" does.
This, although reality, is much like the Matrix. Some thiemites have become so dependent on Thieme's unnecessary and over-complicated Matrix, they are just to weak (weakened by corrupt submission to Thieme) to face the truth. I know people from both sides who some are too weak while others have "broken the chains". It boils down to true guts (not Thieme's cowardly paper tiger growling for the Houston police to escort someone who disagreed with Thieme from Thieme's temple) and the simple truth itself. The truth is available. Do not be afraid to confront Thieme, thiemites, or any of Thieme's co-conspirators in Koine Greek. Thieme's system was a sham. Thieme translated from greek to Ultra right wing politics, not English. Remember also that Thieme hid behind over-complications. And they were totally unecessary for the truth, but totally necessary for Thieme's ultra-right wing agenda.
If a thiemite challenges you, send them to me or send their challenges by e-mail to me. I would more than happy to challenge them and show them the truth as I have done so many times on this website. Many a thiemite has left this site with tail between their legs and their mouth strangely quiet.
I am just one member of this site. There are others here who can also help you in their own way of helping.
Your apology is not accepted because it is not necessary. I like your name.
Truthtesty
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
orangeperuviscacha
()
Date: April 27, 2009 07:24AM
Quote
truthseek
. . .I did not confess one sin for many years simply because I actually forgot about the rebound process. But I did not die the “sin unto death”. . .
Yes, a manipulative threat which failed to materialize. Others have said the same thing.
The speaker at this audio link examines the Rebound teaching and comes up with his own conviction on the subject of confessed sin.
[www.gracecfellowship.com]
(A series of 4 audio files on Rebound. Type rebound in your browser page-search feature when the window opens).
On listening you may not agree with this, but it is interesting none-the-less, coming from someone who moved on from the Thieme system.
Same for the audio files examining Filling of the Spirit.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthlover
()
Date: April 27, 2009 09:49AM
Welcome Truthseek,
I have used the name "Truthseeker" on several websites, but here I am "Truthlover". Both are true of me. :o)
I was greatly saddened by your testimony, but thanks be to God who guided you to the truth when you were truly seeking it and showed you His amazing love.
We must have been at Berachah at the same time, though I am older and moved there of my own (ignorant) free will as an adult. I can completely empathize with your ordeal. It was such a cold place. Deprogramming and recovery can be a very long process. Congratulations on your great escape to spiritual freedom.
I, too, have relatives that are still in bondage to that false system. There is a spiritual superiority involved that is nearly impossible to penetrate. I have given up trying because it only causes resentment. I believe that demonstrating joy and peace in living your life (they do not have it) and consistent prayer are the only answers. It is in God's hands.
On the same site that Orange directed you to, there is a brief written statement about amended doctrines....Rebound, etc....
Here is the link: [www.gracecfellowship.com]
Blessings,
Truthlover
I have used the name "Truthseeker" on several websites, but here I am "Truthlover". Both are true of me. :o)
I was greatly saddened by your testimony, but thanks be to God who guided you to the truth when you were truly seeking it and showed you His amazing love.
We must have been at Berachah at the same time, though I am older and moved there of my own (ignorant) free will as an adult. I can completely empathize with your ordeal. It was such a cold place. Deprogramming and recovery can be a very long process. Congratulations on your great escape to spiritual freedom.
I, too, have relatives that are still in bondage to that false system. There is a spiritual superiority involved that is nearly impossible to penetrate. I have given up trying because it only causes resentment. I believe that demonstrating joy and peace in living your life (they do not have it) and consistent prayer are the only answers. It is in God's hands.
On the same site that Orange directed you to, there is a brief written statement about amended doctrines....Rebound, etc....
Here is the link: [www.gracecfellowship.com]
Blessings,
Truthlover
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
kcjones
()
Date: April 27, 2009 10:54PM
Thuthseek there is good advice be given about family still in the grasp of this false teaching.
I tried to knock heads with my wife and show her Bob's "error", and all it got was anger and hurt feelings. Treat them with Love, prayer, kindness and LOTS of patience, Just like Christ treats us. When they see the fruits manifest in you (love, patience, kindness) it becomes all the more glaring what's missing from their life and shows how empty and worthless 'Bob's bible doctrine' is. I've seen more 'progress' with her in just last 6 months, by treating her with love and prayer than 2 years of butting heads with her. We can not change their hearts, that is the realm of God and the Holy Spirit, and it's our pride if we think we can change a man's heart.
Orange that link to grace fellowship is amazing on the corrections! That should give us all hope that those under Bob's 'whip' can gain some freedom. If even a minister who built a church on the error of "rebound" can recant there is hope for all those under his spell.
Praise God.
I tried to knock heads with my wife and show her Bob's "error", and all it got was anger and hurt feelings. Treat them with Love, prayer, kindness and LOTS of patience, Just like Christ treats us. When they see the fruits manifest in you (love, patience, kindness) it becomes all the more glaring what's missing from their life and shows how empty and worthless 'Bob's bible doctrine' is. I've seen more 'progress' with her in just last 6 months, by treating her with love and prayer than 2 years of butting heads with her. We can not change their hearts, that is the realm of God and the Holy Spirit, and it's our pride if we think we can change a man's heart.
Orange that link to grace fellowship is amazing on the corrections! That should give us all hope that those under Bob's 'whip' can gain some freedom. If even a minister who built a church on the error of "rebound" can recant there is hope for all those under his spell.
Praise God.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthseek
()
Date: April 28, 2009 03:11PM
Thankyou to orange, truthtesty, truthlover, and kcjones for your supportive postings. Except for the support of my husband I have felt very alone in my struggle to escape from the effect of Thieme's teachings. I was really shocked when I saw this website to discover that so many people felt the same way I did.
The person who still listens to Thieme is my mother. I have not even tried to show her any of the information concerning Thieme's false teaching. I am almost certain this will only cause resentment. I love my mother and I do not want to do anything that will distance her from me.
I will look at the websites suggested. I am still confused about the rebound issue and the filling of the spirit. I usually go by my personal spiritual experience to find the truth. Experience has shown me that I became closer to God during the period that I did not confess my sins. But I still don't understand why the bible tells us that we must confess our sins to be forgiven unless it is referring only to the time that we accept Jesus as our savior.
Another thing I don't believe from Thieme's teaching is that God punishes people everytime they make a mistake. If God had disciplined me every time I did something wrong I would probably have 20 debilitating illnesses by now as well as living in a box on the street. I have a toddler. I do not punish him everytime he makes a mistake. If I did he would be a nervous wreck by now. How can anyone trust or become close to a being that is supposedly just waiting to hurt you if you mess up? How can anyone even learn or grow under those conditions for that matter. I think God is a lot more understanding, patient, and compassionate than that.
The support of the people on this website means more to me than I can express.
Truthseeker
The person who still listens to Thieme is my mother. I have not even tried to show her any of the information concerning Thieme's false teaching. I am almost certain this will only cause resentment. I love my mother and I do not want to do anything that will distance her from me.
I will look at the websites suggested. I am still confused about the rebound issue and the filling of the spirit. I usually go by my personal spiritual experience to find the truth. Experience has shown me that I became closer to God during the period that I did not confess my sins. But I still don't understand why the bible tells us that we must confess our sins to be forgiven unless it is referring only to the time that we accept Jesus as our savior.
Another thing I don't believe from Thieme's teaching is that God punishes people everytime they make a mistake. If God had disciplined me every time I did something wrong I would probably have 20 debilitating illnesses by now as well as living in a box on the street. I have a toddler. I do not punish him everytime he makes a mistake. If I did he would be a nervous wreck by now. How can anyone trust or become close to a being that is supposedly just waiting to hurt you if you mess up? How can anyone even learn or grow under those conditions for that matter. I think God is a lot more understanding, patient, and compassionate than that.
The support of the people on this website means more to me than I can express.
Truthseeker
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
kcjones
()
Date: April 29, 2009 01:49AM
Truthseek, sent you a private message.
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
Truthtesty
()
Date: April 29, 2009 08:46AM
Truthseek:
SpiritualLiberty wrote some excellent posts on the rebound issue. You can use Rickross's search for "spiritual liberty".
Your mom is a very sensitive issue and I think it best to ask questions and let her reach her own conclusions. For example: 1 John 2:27. This verse directly contradicts Thieme's false teaching of right pastor. However, without commenting, I suggest just asking her what she thinks it means.
A very destructive behaviour is trying to handle this alone. It is not necessary nor is it advisable.
Initally, I was surprised how wrong Thieme was on so many occasions. I have researched and proven Thieme wrong to the point that it is self-evident. I do not have time summarize them today. However, I went in great detail referencing exactly what Thieme said he referenced and Thieme flatly misrepresented the truth time and again. My proofs are on this website for the whole world to see the truth.
One area where I was surprised was the vast differences between Dr. Chafer and Thieme. Since Thieme like to shove his masters from DTS in everyones face. Thieme "reversioned" the majority of Chafer. So that makes Thieme the 1st "reversionist".
Another area is the "Blood of Christ" where Dr. Chafer actually believed in the literal Blood of Christ. And Thieme decided to follow the Nazi war criminal doktor Gerhard Kittle(Kittle was actually arrested by the Allies after WWII and imprisoned for 17 months.) Johannes Behm also was a Nazi who swore allegiance to Adolph Hitler. Also, Thieme completely misrepresented the figurative/literal meaning of Bauer, Ardnt, and Gingrich at least on the literal meaning of the Blood of Christ.
Dr. Wall wrote and excellent doctoral dissertation about Thieme's teachings. I suggest skipping to the summaries and conclusions.
When you actually do your own homework in truth, it will defeat Thieme everytime he misled.
Truthtesty
SpiritualLiberty wrote some excellent posts on the rebound issue. You can use Rickross's search for "spiritual liberty".
Your mom is a very sensitive issue and I think it best to ask questions and let her reach her own conclusions. For example: 1 John 2:27. This verse directly contradicts Thieme's false teaching of right pastor. However, without commenting, I suggest just asking her what she thinks it means.
A very destructive behaviour is trying to handle this alone. It is not necessary nor is it advisable.
Initally, I was surprised how wrong Thieme was on so many occasions. I have researched and proven Thieme wrong to the point that it is self-evident. I do not have time summarize them today. However, I went in great detail referencing exactly what Thieme said he referenced and Thieme flatly misrepresented the truth time and again. My proofs are on this website for the whole world to see the truth.
One area where I was surprised was the vast differences between Dr. Chafer and Thieme. Since Thieme like to shove his masters from DTS in everyones face. Thieme "reversioned" the majority of Chafer. So that makes Thieme the 1st "reversionist".
Another area is the "Blood of Christ" where Dr. Chafer actually believed in the literal Blood of Christ. And Thieme decided to follow the Nazi war criminal doktor Gerhard Kittle(Kittle was actually arrested by the Allies after WWII and imprisoned for 17 months.) Johannes Behm also was a Nazi who swore allegiance to Adolph Hitler. Also, Thieme completely misrepresented the figurative/literal meaning of Bauer, Ardnt, and Gingrich at least on the literal meaning of the Blood of Christ.
Dr. Wall wrote and excellent doctoral dissertation about Thieme's teachings. I suggest skipping to the summaries and conclusions.
When you actually do your own homework in truth, it will defeat Thieme everytime he misled.
Truthtesty
Re: R.B. Thieme Jr., Berachah Church Houston, Robert B. Thieme Jr.
Posted by:
truthlover
()
Date: April 29, 2009 08:58AM
Dear Truthseek:
"Thank you to orange, truthtesty, truthlover, and kcjones for your supportive postings. Except for the support of my husband I have felt very alone in my struggle to escape from the effect of Thieme's teachings. I was really shocked when I saw this website to discover that so many people felt the same way I did."
When I first started searching for anything written by those who had left Thieme's teaching, there was very little to find. So many were/are afraid to say anything negative about him....it is a part of the mind control he still has over them. Little by little I would find comments and information, and it helped so much to know I wasn't alone. It has taken a long time to recover, but through reading comments others have written about their experiences and studying the Bible for myself, I slowly began to see that so many things he teaches are completely false according to scripture....and often the Bible teaches just the opposite!
"The person who still listens to Thieme is my mother. I have not even tried to show her any of the information concerning Thieme's false teaching. I am almost certain this will only cause resentment. I love my mother and I do not want to do anything that will distance her from me."
I understand completely. In my case, it is my daughter and her husband who are in bondage to this system. She was at Berachah from the time she was a baby, and has never known anything else. I have so many regrets about this, and I have tried to apologize to her for it. But she is actually thankful to her parents for introducing her to "Bible Doctrine". Even though she's a very intelligent person, this mindset has been infused in her brain and she will not consider anything else. If I want any kind of relationship with her, I cannot talk about it. And since we live in different states, there is not much opportunity to show her how my life has changed for the better.
"The support of the people on this website means more to me than I can express."
There are so many wonderful comments on the pages of this forum....but there are a LOT of pages to go through, and much of it is quotes and repetition. When I have more time I will try to go back through and find some that may be helpful for you to read. Just keep questioning the teaching that you received at Berachah, because much of it was false. Pray about it and you will find the answers....the Holy Spirit will lead you to the truth. Please let me know if I can be of help in any way.
Many blessings in Christ,
Truthlover
"Thank you to orange, truthtesty, truthlover, and kcjones for your supportive postings. Except for the support of my husband I have felt very alone in my struggle to escape from the effect of Thieme's teachings. I was really shocked when I saw this website to discover that so many people felt the same way I did."
When I first started searching for anything written by those who had left Thieme's teaching, there was very little to find. So many were/are afraid to say anything negative about him....it is a part of the mind control he still has over them. Little by little I would find comments and information, and it helped so much to know I wasn't alone. It has taken a long time to recover, but through reading comments others have written about their experiences and studying the Bible for myself, I slowly began to see that so many things he teaches are completely false according to scripture....and often the Bible teaches just the opposite!
"The person who still listens to Thieme is my mother. I have not even tried to show her any of the information concerning Thieme's false teaching. I am almost certain this will only cause resentment. I love my mother and I do not want to do anything that will distance her from me."
I understand completely. In my case, it is my daughter and her husband who are in bondage to this system. She was at Berachah from the time she was a baby, and has never known anything else. I have so many regrets about this, and I have tried to apologize to her for it. But she is actually thankful to her parents for introducing her to "Bible Doctrine". Even though she's a very intelligent person, this mindset has been infused in her brain and she will not consider anything else. If I want any kind of relationship with her, I cannot talk about it. And since we live in different states, there is not much opportunity to show her how my life has changed for the better.
"The support of the people on this website means more to me than I can express."
There are so many wonderful comments on the pages of this forum....but there are a LOT of pages to go through, and much of it is quotes and repetition. When I have more time I will try to go back through and find some that may be helpful for you to read. Just keep questioning the teaching that you received at Berachah, because much of it was false. Pray about it and you will find the answers....the Holy Spirit will lead you to the truth. Please let me know if I can be of help in any way.
Many blessings in Christ,
Truthlover
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