To Glenn:
Glenn quote:
I am going to leave one final quick reply. With this post I will have said everything that I have to say. I will leave the final word to you.Truthtesty: What is your hurry? Stick around. You will learn something.
Glenn quote:
I do not know what edition of Christian Integrity that you own but mine does not use the word "brainwashed" in relation to Eph. 5:25-27 or any other verse. The phrase "components of completed happiness" is completely foreign to me. I never heard Col. Thieme use that phrase and unless you can give me a complete reference including a page number you will not convince me.Truthtesty: There apears to be 3 editions of "Christian integrity". [
www.worldcat.org]
If you were really being completely honest about your "3000" hours of listening, then you would have heard that Thieme does use the term "complete happiness" quite often. 2 examples:
Thieme quote:
Prosperity and health will abound (Isa. 35:56). Complete happiness, peace, and contentment will pervade the Land (Isa. 35:10) and violence will be virtually nonexistent (Isa. 60:18). Anti-Semitism by R.B. Thieme, Jr.
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Such a recalcitrant believer will enjoy complete happiness in heaven (Rev. 21:4), Christian Suffering by RB Thieme jr.
Glenn quote:
I still contend that Col. Thieme was under no obligation to notify the congregation every time he taught something different than what L.S. Chafer taught.Truthtesty: Then Thieme should not have referenced Dr. L. S. Chafer, Dr. Walvoord or any other theologian at all, if Thieme was too incompetent to repesent thier views accurately. A specific example of this is the Blood of Jesus. Thieme's off the wall view of the Blood of Christ was so crazy that Thieme needed support for it. So he misrepresented theologians views to get it. And? he got caught. Dr. Walvoord caught Thieme misrepresenting Dr. Walvoord's views [
forum.culteducation.com] and I caught Thieme misrepresenting Bauer Ardnt and Gingrich p. 23 views on the Blood of Jesus. [
forum.culteducation.com] [
forum.culteducation.com]. I also proved that Thieme's teaching on the Blood of Jesus was considered satanic by Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer.
Sure people disagree all the time. No Problems. But Thieme was not merely disagreeing with Dr. Walvoord and Dr. Chafer, and Bauer, Arndt, and Gingrich. Thieme tried to use them to falsify support for Thieme's erroneous teachings. There is an obligation to represent the truth for any Christian.
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He did not build his ministry by claiming that he was completely faithful to the teachings of L.S. Chafer.Truthtesty: He did shove his Master's degree from Dr. L. S. Chafer, in every Christians face. So you need to revise what your saying. Thieme did try to build off of Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer. Thieme didn't claim he was completely faithful or unfaithful to Dr. L. S. Chafer. Thieme just misused Dr. Chafer for false support.
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I understand that you don't like Col. Thieme and that is your business. Are there legitimate areas where you can disagree with him? Yes. There are teachers of the word who disagree with doctrines he taught and I respect them and their right to disagree.Truthtesty: It is not really about whether I like or dislike Thieme, it is about the truth. You know I hear thiemites trying to make Thieme seem normal or just like any other church, but that's not true. Thieme was a cult leader and used the Word of God to lace the poison of Thieme's neocon extremist rhetoric into the Word of God.
For example: Thieme quote:
My hypothetical young prison mate soon learned that impulses, working against the grain, are very important in political prisons, that one learns to enjoy fighting city hall, to enjoy giving the enemy upside-down logic problems, that one soon finds him¬self taking his lumps with pride and not merely liking but loving that tapping guy next door, the man he never sees, the man he bares his soul to after each torture session, until he realizes he is thereby expiating all residual guilt. Then he realizes he can’t be hurt and can’t be had as long as he tells the truth and clings to that forgiving band of brothers who are becoming his country, his family. [19] Christian Suffering by RB Thieme jr.
Truthtesty: Summarizing Thieme "military political prison love with your band of brothers after a torture session" is "legitimate love" between men even to the point of men "baring thier souls to one another"
While
brotherly love in church? As clearly stated in the Bible? Well
Brotherly love in a church according to Thieme is satanic.
Thieme quote:
This satanic good includes every attempt to solve the problems of life apart from God’s grace and Bible doctrine. It also incorporates every plan that is antithetical to God’s Plan: religion,” socialism, communism, political internationalism and “brotherly love,” altruism, humanitarianism, philanthropy, public welfare, revolution, “the greatest good for the greatest number,” governmental interference in divine establishment, coercion by legislation to name a few! Every deviation from Bible doctrine, such as reversionism, apostasy and legalism/ or any organized Christian program which attempts to sponsor spiritual growth apart from the local church is evil!Divine Establishment by RB Thieme jr.
*Note even by Thieme's own standards ("deviation" from doctrine), he would have to include his own false teachings.
The bible clearly states Christian affection with/in faith: See Dr. Lewis Sperry Chafer Vol. 4, Page 198, Eph. 4:31–32, 1 Thess. 4:6, 9, 1 Thess. 5:11, James 4:11, Eph. 5:21, Phil. 2:3–4, 1 Pet. 5:5, Gal. 6:10.
What about
brotherly love in church?
Brotherly love is clearly stated in the Bible. But? Thieme has categorized
brotherly love as evil and part of satan's plan. Why? For Thieme's extremist reich-wing political indoctrination program. And even if Thieme's attempt would've stopped communism? It still does not justify Thieme's false teaching of the Word of God. It is still false teaching.
The tortured thiemite does not expiate "all residual guilt". Jesus infinitely expiated all sin. The "human works" of "resisting torture" espoused by Thieme's rhetoric, DOES NOT EXPIATE, and does not encompass "brotherly love" as clearly taught by the Word of God.
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The forum is all yours.Truthtesty: The forum did not belong to you or I. The forum belongs to the truth
Truthtesty
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/11/2008 04:27AM by Truthtesty.